Wednesday, December 12, 2018

21st century mosin 2


21st CENTURY MOSIN 2
Remember, even the poorest person deserves to defend themselves.  All those monkey meat mouthers that banned Saturday Night Specials are directly responsible for killing off poor Black ghetto residents.  If the politicians playing Lucifer’s Proctologist hadn’t banned Chinese military arms from entering this country, I’m going to guess a SKS would be about $200 right now, with an AK half again as much.  Were they vile pieces of crap?  Of course they were.  That certainly is NOT the point.  The point is that they would have lasted long enough to get the job done.  They weren’t going to be used on a campaign.
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The Chinese SKS was crap.  Anyone buying one today, even if they are half the price of Eastern European ones, needs to seriously rethink what else he can get for the same money. A $289 AR-15 is also going to be a piece of crap.  Too many parts are proprietary rather than Mil-Spec, and you are looking at corners cut on every part.  The old $79 Mosin-Nagant was a piece of crap.  They had no gas bleed and they were only good in the Arctic because the bolt was just as “easy” to work there as in the tropics ( “easy” meaning “slow and difficult” ).
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But that is NOT the point.  A cheap Chinese SKS, a Mosin-Nagant and a sub-$300 AR are all Butter Knife Guns.  You just need to use them long enough to get a superior weapon from the enemy ( so named from the urban myth of the ghetto paramilitary forces being given sharpened butter knives to go kill a Honky-Mo-Fo for a real weapon ).  A zip-gun, a Saturday Night Special and a Butter Knife Gun are all worthless RELATIVELY speaking.  But they are a means to an end.
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That is why they must be made illegal.  Or, if that isn’t possible, so expensive a poor person cannot afford it.  Which is why you should be looking at buying your Generic Glock or any AR now.  They are both too cheap for comfort for our elite rulers.  Good gravy, a $200 9mm handgun?  Blood will flow on the streets!  The problem isn’t that an AR is semi-automatic, the problem is that it is too cheap.  Guns being legal aren’t going to do too many people any favors if they are so expensive that only a few can afford them. 
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So, if all you can afford is a hunk of crap AR, buy it anyway.  Then, don’t be a dumbass.  Don’t use it like it is a $1,000 version.  Don’t get too close and spray and pray.  Get the hell back three hundred yards, have a scope ( even if it is $20 https://amzn.to/2PiQ5mJ , just buy more than one as a back up ), and fire slowly.  Conserve ammo.  Don’t worry if it jams.  You aren’t so close as for that to be dangerous.  Adapt the tactics to your weapon, don’t buy the weapon that supports your idea of tactics.
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If you had a muzzleloader, the idea was to snipe at Indians from a hundred yards.  You tried to stay out of the thirty yard range of their bows, since they had rapid fire.  Get it?  A bolt action is fine.  Just stay out of situations that need semi-auto.  Or, if you might get in that situation against your plans, because of terrain, have a rapid fire pistol as back-up ( the weight savings of lack of extra rifle ammo and magazines allows the pistol, and you still come out weight savings positive ). 
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Be flexible with your tactics, rather than inflexible with your choice of weapon. You only have a one shot rimfire rifle ( click here ) that cost $120, and you add a $20 scope, you still have an ambush weapon.  The way I see it, most of the distain for cheap AR’s is in fact justified, BUT!  There will always be a bit of class warfare thrown in there.  The survivalist mindset for far too long has been “what is your life worth?”, which on the face is true but which hides a bit of Peacock Feathering. 
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In one way, the crappier your gun the safer you will be.  I’m not speaking of a craftsman with the best tool.  If you are practiced and talented, expensive tools pay. If you are a normal schlub with close to crap for fighting skills, expensive tools are not only a waste, they blind you to the fact that a tool is no better than its user.  The average shooter wastes a one inch MOA rifle through lack of skill.  Or a $1,000 AR-15.  AVERAGE, I reiterate.  The average talent with a crappy gun will NEVER mistake tool for talent.
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But the average shooter with too much gun will grant his inanimate object talisman powers.  He becomes complacent.  Well, obviously, the “too little’ers” have to be aware when their gun is crap, which the joke mentioned in yesterday’s post eludes to ( “they vowed worked as good as a quality build” ), so having a butter knife guns also requires self-awareness.  If I had a crappy little .25 caliber pot metal pistol, I would only use it within three feet and only expect one shot ( and I would prefer it to be to the back of the head ).
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Do I advise crappy guns?  No.  Sure, I own a Taurus, but I wouldn’t have bought something crappier.  I try for the “middlin” guns, the low end of acceptable quality, but not sub-quality.  The trick is to know the difference.  There are only a few truly awful AR’s.  Even just $50 can make a huge difference.  That one Sportsman’s was selling that had an UPPER of polymer?  WHAT?  Who would trust that?  I don’t want a poly lower, either, but if they are cheap enough they will do, barely.  With a middlin AR, the trick is just to operate with distance as your friend.  Same as with a bolt gun.
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Usually, those that ask, “what is your life worth”, are One Trick Ponies.  They think guns are Job One.  They focus far too much on weapons.  When you see Food Is First, you know how important it is to spend less on guns and more on food.  Because a crappy gun and lots of food gives you a better chance than a perfect gun and too little food.  That this is so obvious, and yet obviously ignored by most “survivalists”, is amazing to me.  It tells me they don’t REALLY believe in a collapse.
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They believe in fairy tales of glittery unicorns, used as pack mules to transport semi-auto weapons and lots of ammunition.  With an MRE thrown on top to reward yourself after the days multiple firefights.  Don’t mistreat unicorns like that!  Bad Minion!  I’d say, “no biscuit for you”, but that would imply you thought food was important.  And, no, I don’t mean to imply you shouldn’t strive for the best weapon.  I just want you to prioritize.  Better Than Nothing weapons, lots of food, more ammunition, a lot more food, THEN, then you can go crazy on expensive guns.
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( today's related link here )
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note: KU books.  I didn't care for the style, but all subjects are broken down in short snippits.  Guerrilla war here .  An interesting take on non-Yuppie homesteading, family moves to the wilds of northern California in the sixties here .
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note: for what it is worth, after viewing a video.  Disposable battery cost effectiveness.  Yes, I know, only for non-critical, heavy short term use items.  Panasonic might only get one quarter the time in use compared to high end name brand, but is the second best run time per dollar.  Sunbeam is the best.  Both at the dollar store.  If memory serves it was 6cents an hour Sunbeam, 9cents Panasonic, and the premium brands started at about 18cents an hour cost.  So, Energizer for the FLIR scope and Sunbeam for the TV remote.
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note: I'm not trying to replace the Free Books with the KU Books. I haven't even decided if I'll keep KU at the end of the trial.  There just hasn't been all that many PA books offered for free lately.  Hang in there.
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31 comments:

  1. The chicom sks and mak90 ak47s were and are fine for their purposes, calibers, and cost for performance ratios. Jim, I think you are jaded in perspective. (Yes, I speak from knowledge, managed a gun store seven years, seen it all) They command better than others pricing and do not last in sales market due to demand and shooters whom know the reputation. I advise doubters in general to go downrange a spell, and do tell me my gun sucks. Avoid all polymer upper Or lower receiver ar15s. It is very rare, but happens in any gun or any caliber, a catastrophic explosion may occur fragging the gun receiver or barrel. Also Minions should be leary of battled field pick up ammo, or ammo that appears 'salted' in a location. Research tampered ammo and ordinance in Vietnam to screw with charlie and NVA troops. Expect it to occur now or in the future as a means of interference or black flag operations. Carry on.

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    1. You are correct in that I had no perspective and didn't appreciate what I had in a $100 carbine. I would still have them if I did.

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  2. Single shot shotguns fall in this category too in an urban environment. Close range with many ambush points around - a single shot shotgun takes down easily and is easy to hide. Shotgun shells are easy to find too and for less than $10 a box of 25 in 20 and 12 gauge. If you need a rifle barrel, they make barrel liners but coupled with simple shotgun bead sight, not the most accurate of guns (though your mileage may vary).

    Single shots are also very easy to teach a person who has never touched a firearm before. Push that to open, insert shell, close, pull back hammer (if present) and point and shoot. Repeat process after shot goes off - easy peasy.

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    1. Right. First timers or the meek and mild will do well just using revolvers and break open shotguns ( 20g for the really meek ).

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    2. Not all break action shotguns break down.

      I have a coach gun, a single shot shot gun, a savage 22lr/20g and if money & safe space wasn't a concern I'd look at getting a Marlin 410 lever action (410 will do the job).

      12 gauge with appropriate shells have the highest one hit argument stopper record (official stats)

      I think if I were to be just starting out

      A bolt .22lr &/or a shotgun (single with ejectors or a coach). Barrel length of the shotgun is something to put thought into. My single shot is a bit unwieldy within my fort

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    3. I have a single shot 12ga. It’s very user friendly, and surprisingly fast to cycle shells through, considering. I agree that it’s a good, safe, option, for a beginner. But boy oh boy, does a 12ga single shot give the old shoulder a jolt! Even with the standard low base loads. Didn’t know that such an animal existed until recently, but saw some new fangled, reduced recoil/payload loads in 12ga 1-3/4” (sic). Yeah, get some of those for the women, children, and nu-males in the bunch :D

      For this reason, the single action revolver is also a good option for beginners, since it requires an extra level of safety in cocking it.

      https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot

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    4. From my notes



      12 Gauge
      If you simply want to know the best defense load, go out and buy some 12 gauge, 2-3/4" shells loaded with number 1, 0, or 00 buckshot. You shall live happily ever after, as this is the most effective man-stopping firearm cartridge yet devised by man.



      20 Gauge
      The 20 is an excellent self-defense caliber, particularly for those who dislike the recoil of the 12 gauge. For guns with 3" chambers there is the Federal 3" Magnum #2 buckshot load with 18 pellets. If your gun has a 2-3/4" chamber or your situation suggests it, use the Remington Express or Federal Vital-Shok #3 buckshot shells with 20 pellets. All of these loads provide definitive short range stopping power.
      I specifically recommend the standard (not magnum) 2-3/4" 20 gauge shell for women and recoil sensitive men who dislike the blast and recoil of the 12 gauge. "Delivering roughly the ballistic force of two .44 Magnum rounds at once," comments the knowledgeable Ayoob, the 20 "delivers 75% of the lead for only 50-60% of the recoil". Many police departments have found their officers shoot much more accurately in realistic training exercises with the lighter kicking, but still potent, 20 gauge.

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    5. Yes, po-po's do better with no-ouchy guns like 9mm, .223 and 20g. Sounds like the military where girls don't like recoil. Not trying to be macho, I'll be the first to tell you I'm shooting 38's out of my 357 if given a choice. But at what point do you stop sacrificing performance for comfort? Or, for that matter, start aiming again rather than spraying and praying?

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    6. And is it just me, or does the fact that there’s even one firearms expert out there by the name of “Ayoob” strike fear in the hearts of anyone else :D Once you start seeing police on patrol wearing headdresses, or when you go to book a flight, and your pilot’s name is “Affirmative Action Annie”, I think I’ll start staying on the homestead permanently. Oh right, I already do that :D

      By the way (as it seems to have been glossed over) I already provided a solution to excessive 12ga recoil above. Here it is again:

      (And yes, it is also available in buckshot)

      https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot

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    7. Ah, twice the price and the gun needs modifying? That is a solution?

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    8. Twice the price, and requires modification? Okay, I’ll try and address this, assuming that I’m understanding you correctly? It’s $11 for a box of 20. So 5 fewer less than a full box of 25, for about the same price, right? Don’t forget that it’s quite possible to reload shotshells in the field without sophisticated equipment (Plenty of examples of this on youtube).

      Second, modification. Okay, I think what you’re suggesting here is that it specifies that certain pump guns might not cycle well with these rounds? I’m approaching this from the standpoint of the lightweight single shot shotgun, and no problems there with this ammo. If you already have a pump, double, semi-auto, which are quite a bit heavier than a single shot, excessive recoil is not an issue, so just go with the standard 2-3/4” low base; no problem.

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    9. I doubled checked on the price-23c for regular, yours is 56. But I didn't do the math on reloads, just factory. And yes, I was thinking pump rather than single.

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    10. I see. I was under the impression that a box of the standard 12ga loads were around $10, but apparently I was off by quite a bit. In consideration of this, then you would be better off just buying the cheaper 2-3/4” loads, and upon firing them off, reloading them to lower velocities for the women and children. You can also just get the hulls, and load them this way from the start. You would probably want one of those Lee universal powder scoop sets. You can hillbilly reload without costly equipment, but last I checked, a basic shotshell reloader wasn’t priced very high. At the very least, you might wish to get one of those resizing tools sold for shotshells.

      https://www.amazon.com/LEE-PRECISION-90100-Powder-Measure/dp/B000N8OIE8

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    11. If you priced shells at Midway, I think they are usually rather high compared to most other places. I just stick with them for reloading components ( where they are very cheap, reasonable shipping and hazmat, great service ).

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    12. I have some of those Aquila mini-shells, but they aren't very reliable in some pump actions so try them before relying on them. For single shot light guns, they DO work well. And don't worry too much about reduced shot load, most foraging will be shot at animals that are setting still anyway. Very few moving / flying shots to increase chance of hitting them. The reduced load will accomplish less meat damage. Another bonus - smaller size means easier carrying / more capacity. I just wish they were more available, haven't seen them on shelves for quite a while, mainly only seen at gun shows.

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    13. The last time I mistakenly bought store ammo was that crap Wally rimfire. Best to stick with mail order.

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  3. 2:48 might not be so bad after all.


    From above:
    "First timers or the meek and mild will do well just using revolvers and break open shotguns"

    I've always placed guns in a separate place, for with very little effort or ignorance they can change lives for the worse.

    Awhile back a younger person asked my advice on a first gun to purchase and I told him he needs to get educated first. It only takes a second for at least one life to be destroyed and that can be averted by education and apprenticeship under a watchful and knowing eye.

    My first memory of shooting a gun was when I was about 4 and though I held it in my hands and pulled the trigger my dad was wrapped all around me and his hands were on mine. As time went by his grip slowly loosened but never by much.

    I didn't get to own my own gun until I was 18 and moved out and bought a Winchester .22 semi-auto. I shot it so much it was a .25 2 years later when I sold it and entered the army. Upon getting home 4 years later I bought another Winchester .22 and then the Ruger 357 from a friend, and then a Remington 870 Wingmaster in 12 ga and on and on, maybe a hundred or guns over the past 40 years.

    Guns seem like second nature but I am always a little bit scared of them. Not when they're just laying there, but when they are in my hand, because through no intention on my part that gun can destroy. Accidents happen so often you can expect them. As Drew said in Firecreek (1966), "Careful that trigger boy, don't take but a hair!"

    In light of that, after a person is educated they should apprentice first with a .22 single shot and slowly progress from there. Take from that what you will but that is my rearward and forward view of a lifetime of gun use.

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  4. Hmm. I have a far more casual point of view. My dad took us shooting when we were 10 and 8. Had a few words on safety-he was such a stern and serious man his words always had god like meaning-and them we each fired a .38. It was not so powerful we couldn't handle it, but powerful enough to instantly teach us to never dick around with safety since it meant business. A .22 doesn't teach that. It is too close to a pellet gun. Now, that is just me, from my experience. I'm not trying to imply other ways are wrong. Just saying try to look at it from that point of view.

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  5. Make the investment, spend more or what it takes to get an adequate gun. This is not kids bicycles for recreation that you can upgrade when you get more money as a big boy. While dinking around post collapse with break open, single shot, etc butter knife guns, the hordes, homeys, and neighbors will out gun you. The law of the jungle rules will win out, not one's proud sense of frugality. Unless a minion is a real deal third world poor case study, no excuses to not be adequately and reliably prepped. Membership revoked otherwise.

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    1. It is good advice, but it isn't universal. Say, after a divorce when there are not two nickels to rub together. I've been making $25k a year ( back mid-90's, at least 50% extra purchasing power, but probably closer to 100% ) and had $10 a week for food, gas money for work and rent as one of three roomates, with zero left over. No assets, no savings, no luxuries to cut. Not saying it is a universal problem at our age, but when a crapstorm buries you, you need radical options. What if you were arrested and it took everything cashed in to bribe a lawyer to keep you from doing time? What if a medical calamity hit you? What if the economic collapse hit tomorrow and the last money went to surviving unemployment ( which will lose insurance as states go broke )? If you can weather all that, you are probably already well enough armed. But not everyone can be like that. What if you just lost your job, all assets, then sold all your good guns to buy a piece of junk land, leaving just enough for a move there, a shack and a $100 gun? The land itself would provide a lot of protection, allowing you to trade down on guns. The lesser of evil is no rent, no homelessness, and no "approved" gun. Just saying, when planning and assuming, "from your lips to God's ears"

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    2. Maybe it's me, but it seems that if someone is reading this blog they already have some decent gun experience under their belt and most likely own more than one.

      Yes THIS blog.
      This isn't the most popular one, and nobody else does it Bison style. I did the popular ones for many years, usually just hit and run, as they all said about the same old stuff that was old the first time around. I'd just pop in to see if there was anything new.

      I run in certain circles, from back in the mid 90's. (That's where I know Pete (Concerned American) the sysop of Western Rifle Shooters from. Back in the old alt.clinton.impeach.whitewater days.) If you ain't in one of them circles I ain't gonna see you. Apparently someone in one of them circles mentioned Bison and it caught my eye (Remus maybe? dunno) and I've been here ever since.

      So yeah, if you're here you're already on-board to one degree or another and are looking for ways to up your game. The gun discussions are pretty beat to death, they always go the same way. Jim likes bolts, others like semis, and everybody else is "me too". If you're an over 50 white dood you most likely already have decades of gun experience and are set in your ways. The next (and only - ever) single shot .22 I buy will be for my grand daughter when she turns 6 and comes up here to visit in the summer and it will stay right here in the cabinet when she leaves.

      BTW, why the word Bison? I always wondered that.

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    3. You can "what if" it do death, and you know what? People figure it out. They always do. I haven't been through a divorce, but that's all. I've been through all the other stuff and a lot, LOT more. I've always had a gun. Times have never been so desperate that I sold my last gun, nor my last pair of underpants. In my stupid single years I have went longer than a week with no food at all.

      Now, if all that stuff you mentioned happened to somebody when they were say 25 years old then you have something. But there's really no excuse for someone in their 50's to be destitute except extreme laziness over a very long period of time. That's possible I suppose but I've never known anyone like that.

      Life is scattered with obstacles and sometimes they are multiple and very severe, yes I wrote the book, but I've always had a fairly decent gun for afterall, my life depended on it. There's these things called criminals running around out there and it takes a pretty stupid human to not realize it and protect theirself from them. If a person is that stupid then there is nothing that can be written here or any where else that will help them. Darwin would suggest that they should not be helped as they are already a burden on others and always will be.

      Yes, disassociate from danger THEN arm yourself, and continue to upgrade as possible. The reverse is whistling in the wind.

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    4. Yes , life is full of choices. Most of us choose poorly.

      As an old guy now, my advice is to save your nickles and buy quality. When you buy quality , then likely you only need purchase it once.
      Poor folks remain poor, simply because they keep buying cheap crap...over and over many times.
      Your mileage may vary eh ?

      Most folks shit out their ass in excess junk food over a year's time...than what a quality weapon might cost.

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    5. If I were in such a predicament, my weapons of choice would be a pump shotgun, deer rifle, .22 rifle and center fire pistol. 99% of the shooting required can be covered with these four firearms. I would focus on adaquete ammunition after that before expanding the herd.

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    6. GS-Bison is B.I.S.O.N., Best Internet Survivalist Online Newsletter. Back when it was actually a newsletter. Way back when. '99? 00?
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      You are all pretty much correct. It is hard to see how it is impossible to buy a better gun. Although a little voice just keeps telling me, hey, you never know...

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  6. I bought a used AR from a friend. When I finally took it out, the rounds would impact the target sideways. Jammed something fierce. Only saving grace is it's a pre-ban, which may or may not mean anything in the future.

    I do need to replace that upper though. Sideways. (shakes head)

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  7. Never had heard about the tampered ammo. Fascinating.

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    1. Another that could have been an urban myth, or not, was the old razor blade up the prostitutes money maker.

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  8. The first gun I fired as a 12 / 13 year old boy was a FN-Mag, bursts from a 100 round belt at man sized metal targets 500mtrs away whilst in a trench.

    If they were actual bad guys they would have had a real bad day. Good luck getting into Valhalla with the "I got PWND by a school kid" story

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  9. im scared to death of guns! I was in the army , I grew up hunting , first time I ever shot a pistol I was like 5 or 6 .
    I hit a long ways away . but I respect the tool and absolutely understand what im carrying . But it still scares the shit outta me every single time I have it in my hands . Simply because I hit my target .
    If you have glorified vision of just wanton destruction ,well good luck ,shit aint like that .its the most horrible thing . im in my cups too many beers but before you get n a fight you should already have left .
    and that's all I got to say bout that .
    Walk away /run away / just get the fuck away !

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