LAZY BUG OUT CACHE 2
Okay, you are reasonably safe from millions of displaced urban scum, Blue State Swine that have been busy earning their pieces of silver by supporting politically correct globalism. You are all hunkered down in your farm in the hills, buried AR’s awaiting the Revenuers. You were paranoid enough to get there years in advance, and reasonable sure that the family in the holler next door would most likely be after your supplies not even half way through the first winter ( they were crackhead White Trash, on da well-fares ). What do you do about them and theirs raiding?
Me, personally? I’d shoot them all, first. But that isn’t the kind of discussion we are having today. How do you set up stashed supplies and a bug-out camp for when raiders do show up? Can you dig a septic tank hole? If you don’t need that large of a container, fine. Ignore my advice to have five years of grain. Just bury your buckets. But if you have enough people, and enough grain, a septic tank might be just the thing ( I have no idea about condensation, whether you need to first go with Mylar bags, placing them in the tank ).
If you don’t have your own back-hoe, and are worried about op-sec, you’ll need to convince folks it will actually be a septic tank. You might have to pay for the leech line digging, or get a permit, or similar subterfuge. And if you are worried they will have read Lucifer’s Hammer, I don’t think anyone is doing to go deep turd diving for How To books. Most preppers have that on e-files anyway. That should take care of your bulk food stores. Difficult to get to is good.
This leaves your In The Hills location a much simpler affair than the Mobile Caching Scheme. You don’t need long term supplies. You DO need everything there, but on a smaller scale. You need to plan as if you were taking a growly in the outhouse and raiders showed up, the patrols missing them and Billy Bob the retard asleep at the church bell warning detail, and you had to go running into the woods empty handed. Raiders are NOT going to be all Road Warrior and arrive with engines revving and speeches made. They are going to try to ambush you.
Count on being empty handed. I mean, I wouldn’t ever plan on not having a gun belt with me at all times, but just off the top of my head I can think of two scenarios. What if you are skinny dipping and a raider shows up on shore, right where your clothes and weapon is. You’d swim to the opposite shore and book into the hills, naked. What if you were in the woods partaking in carnal activities ( perhaps not of your spousal variety, hence the clandestine location ) and were surprised. Off you run, with no supplies.
Unlikely or low probability? Sure. So is everything we are doing, at least to some degree. Being paranoid means you plan for all possibilities regardless of the math. Well, I mean, not ALL possibilities. You don’t need to go to bed wearing a butt plug, thinking you’ll get anal probed by UFO aliens. I’m not saying that is a bad idea, just that some things are so improbable you can probably safely ignore them. But those are few and far between. But as our good buddy ‘Ol Remus says, plan as if you are escaping a Soviet Gulag.
That means, surprised without supplies. It isn’t because you’ll actually BE surprised without supplies, although you could, but because that covers so many other possibilities. It is a one shop stop for prepping, like prepping for nuclear war used to be. You know, from “better two years early than two seconds late” to “if you are ready for nuclear war, you are ready for anything”. Yes, I know you could quibble with that one, and I have, but it is a good Rule O Da Thumb. Like “stay away from crowds”. We could quibble about numbers and distance but that isn’t the point.
What should you have up in your hill BOL? Remember, you have to be close enough for the women and children ( old humpers might be out of luck. “Shuffle FASTER, grandpa!” ) to get there, but not so easy for raiders to follow. If in a valley, you have the camp up in the hills. If in a clearing in the hills, perhaps a steep ravine you escape down deters horsemen. If hilly prairie, you’ll need to set up retreating defenses so hopefully they lose interest in dying when the supplies are back there, safely.
The BOL is designed for short term shelter and supply, and to resupply. Worse-case scenario, you cannot retake the village and so must move on to a more permanent place you have deep larder supplied. So, original farm/village. A reasonable distance for the kids to get to short term shelter location, secondly. And third, a permanent relocation spot with long term food supplies and other basics. This should also be your plan if you are a single hermit. A quick hide and resupply point to retake the main structure, and a back-up permanent structure far away.
What if circumstances don’t allow a third retreat? Say, you never get around to it. Or, the area is simply too built up ( not hard to do in some areas, where everyone is arsehole to elbow ). This is where the “lazy” part can come in. You can get away with just a rendezvous point. Folks might have to go hungry for a few days, perhaps be cold ( back in the day, those “ignorant” peasants weren’t so foolish to be without warm clothing. They didn’t wear flip-flops and shorts in March in Detroit, like our pampered petroleum punks do ).
They will be alive. Plans and drills should include retaking your settlement, if the raiders were too stupid to take that into account and go down the road some to partake in their looted goods. There are going to be some complications. What if someone was too slow and got caught, then tortured for the location of the big cache of food? Generally, a raider takes the month’s supply of food obviously present and departs satisfied. But what if they needed to make this permanent? Would you have to negotiate a peaceful return? Accepting a new governing body?
Nothing can be easy, right? Right now, these things seen easy. Everybody is armed with firearms, and an equalizer to strength, gender and age. You’d better plan on that staying the case, or the paradigm of the strong destroying all those weaker returns. Do I need to repeat, don’t waste ammo? Not in your tactics. And logistically, plan on far more than you’ll think you need. Just like that food. The easiest fight to win is one you aren’t in. Plan on escaping and evading. Simple caching for short time escaping.
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nice hair bisonReplyDelete
my raggedy ann doll has red pubic hair
My pubic hair hasn't turned grey yet, for which I'm grateful. Since we are exchanging useless information.Delete
wax your plumz and they'll never knowDelete
Makes my teeth itch just thinking about it.Delete
In the vein of useless information, "(my) teeth itch [hagayui 歯痒い]" is the Japanese word meaning to have the feeling of watching someone screw up so badly trying to do something you want to run up and do it yourself.Delete
Okay, I had no idea where I picked that up from. I've been using it slightly out of context.Delete
Living in the sprawling sprawl ecosystem of the deep southeast, burial sites off your own property are risky. Hourly the sprawl grows and smothers like Kudzu: Gas-n-Goodies, Pharmacies every 12 yards, storage units.ReplyDelete
Anything buried and left for 5 minutes will likely be under asphalt.
Years back when I left for U of Whatever for credentialing, I used a public park for about 3 years. Retrieved 6 inch PVC tube at night. One end was glue-on cap, other threaded adapter with cap. About 4 feet long. Silica Gel stored with my Beanie Baby collection kept them in mint condition. Thanks Eddie the Wire.
Just like in Vegas, the end of construction of the economy has to be ending here shortly. Not that this helps you immediately. Just the trend.Delete
Observational notes to contribute. Ensure your b.o.l. or cache site is totally off track and not known or accessible to others. Example: I was 20+ miles from asphalt in middle of nevada desert (shootin guns, thought I would be left alone there, not.), and had two separate incursions into vicinity by yuppies in suv/pretty boy trucks obstensiously sightseeing. Their objective was one greener tree stiking out of landscape at a spring seep halfway up a large mountain side. ("Hey honey! Let's go over there") Those little dirt roads within blm, forest, wilderness areas as well as all the hunting, fishing, camping, known areas visited by others in the peacetime are also the known spots that the amatuers will be heading into. (They being prepper trained by internet and discovery channel shows are giddy about it all) With the bloated population numbers, even a 1% of wannabes pushing out from urbania and burbs is a lot of contenders to be avoiding and dealing with. Also balance out goods for cache site. Have a little of everything possible, not just ammo and food. You may need other kit badly as well such as cold gear, first aid , re tooling up from total loss. Like junk on a bunk inspection, think of those what ifs, as replaced boots and fresh socks are as exciting to the destitute as a flir scoped a.r.15 is to a Unicorn Cavalryman. Stay frosty.ReplyDelete
Excellent thought exercise there 740.Delete
I'm not an advocate of this caching idea, it just doesn't set well with me. I guess I haven't been convinced it is important. The scenarios Jim maps out, skinnydippin, knockin side nookie, when a raider shows up are highly unlikely.
I do however strongly believe the Remus creed is sacrosanct, 2 words only: Avoid Crowds
How many is a crowd? How many can you take out right now with what you have on your person? That many.
Distance? Please. Anytime you are away from the command center you are in danger, so do it very sparingly. THINK! Plan your trips so they are seldom necessary.
My wife and I were talking last night and we figured between the 2 of us and 3 vehicles we drive less that 1500 miles a year, and this is in an area where everything is at least 20 miles away. One bite at a time, you can eat an entire brontosaurus.
provide lootable alcohol.ReplyDelete
stopped the german michael offensive in 1918.
Did it stop the destruction of Berlin in 1945?Delete
provide lootable alcohol and go away.
return to shoot the drunks.
worked for the allies against the michael offensive in 1918.
Ah. I hadn't heard of that one.Delete
Forget lootable alcohol...you need spare whyte wimmins to delay and distract marauders.Delete
In spring of '45 Soviet Marshall Zhukov had to call Stalin and get permission to shoot soldiers from the penal brigades (under NKVD control) as Sovs advanced thru Eastern Germany & Baltics. Seems the heavily Central Asian penal brigades went on such full scale almost unending rape fests that it led to loss of "good order and discipline". Units going full Mongol on Germans, Poles etc were slowing Zhukov's advance.
Many units summarily executed en mass. Many others sent to worst of worst gulag camps in Far North.
Book titled "Berlin: May 1945" (?) gives stomach churning details.
“You might have to pay for the leech line digging, or get a permit, or similar subterfuge.”ReplyDelete
Good plan, but if you pull a permit it’s going to raise your property taxes, so I’d try and avoid that if possible.
“Everybody is armed with firearms, and an equalizer to strength, gender and age. You’d better plan on that staying the case, or the paradigm of the strong destroying all those weaker returns. Do I need to repeat, don’t waste ammo? Not in your tactics. And logistically, plan on far more than you’ll think you need.”
Important advice. Even if all you were to stock was the lowly .22, that’s a huge advantage. One well placed .22 post collapse, will ruin a bad guys whole day, even if he survives the initial hit. It’s probably also a good idea to have primitive archery making supplies as well (Dacron and PVC pipe, or at least appropriate red oak boards, cane, dowel, or dogwood shoots for arrow shafts. Refer to the backyard bowyer manual).
If going with bows, don't think Robin Hood accuracy. Think volley fire. It probably won't be effective any other way. So, you'll need a butt ton of arrows.Delete
Yeah, it’s the arrows that are the weak link. Even a primitively constructed long bow can fire arrows with decent accuracy, provided that the arrows are really straight. There is a section in the above mentioned book that shows you how to produce arrows cheaply, using the reed canes, and hardwood dowels. If you can find some really straight shafts you will get good accuracy, but something tells me that this is easier said than done. Sure, you can sit there and hold them over a steamer, or heat them up and bend them to conformity, as did the natives, but how practical is this. Carbon fiber arrows are the very best in my opinion, but too expensive to be practical enough to stockpile, so cane and dowels it is.Delete
Inside 4" capped PVC Pipe (24" long):ReplyDelete
2 - 10 oz. metal cans or stainless steel Bain pot 78710 at both ends. 2 hammocks (minimum). 8 x 10 Tarp. Tomahawk head. 3-BIC lighters. 200' bank line. Your choice: Multi-tool / TL-29 knife pattern / SAK knife. 1 pr. U.S. military desert boot (tops are floppy enough to roll, though not sure if they would fit 4" pipe ?) Steel Water bottle.
I figure a motivated buyer could scrounge up enough $$$ for three of these. Scatter to well known locations. Paint tubes dark brown and/or dark green to blend if they become uncovered in time.
Thats all I got.
I know I'm retarded, but what the hell are you supposed to do with a loose tomahawk head? I've only ever used axes and the like ready to go from the store.Delete
A normal 8'x10' tarp (blue plastic type) alone will not roll down tight enough to fit in a 4"x24" PVC pipe. I know cause I just rolled up 3 last night. I was in the army and am a master at rolling the air out of stuff, like sleeping bags, tents, garments, etc.Delete
All multi-tools are mostly junk. A collection of half assed tools that rarely get used and cost a lot of money because designers had to figure out how to make it work. Instead, figure out what tools you are most likely to use and purchase them in good quality. I mean, a screwdriver with interchangeable tips, out in the woods. Really? Or pliers. WTF for? I've lived in the woods hundreds of times and cannot think of one time screwdrivers or pliers would have been handy.
Thing is, if you have little to no experience living "out there" all the clever written articles about what you "need" sound inviting ans the next thing you know you have the kitchen sink on your back and a sprained ankle.
One last thing. Ever try to find anything in the woods? Even just 6 months later, maybe when the seasons change? Forget about it. If you "cache" stuff in the woods most likely archaeologists will find it in the future and your skeletal remains will be nowhere close by.
Ha! Okay, you are probably right on the last one, forgetting where the cache is.Delete
Or better yet, find a "Rawlesian" adherents (yuppie larded up stash) cache by mistake instead of your own pathetic accorns.Delete
See? That's why Anon 5:24 is on my team. He's not a Debbie Downer!Delete
Dang, I assumed Anons 5:24 gender. I'm just not fitting in with >current year<. Off to the gulags it is for me
How can you guess anyone's gender now? Isn't there like dozens? Is there one for mushrooms?Delete
Anon 10:59 here. Ghostsniper, I concede the tarp might not fit the tube, but I couldn't picture a smaller unit being fit for a temporary home. My bad.Delete
Multi-tool useless ? Screwdriver can be used as a chisel, the Phillips ground down as an awl, the saw cuts wood. Pliers - use to remove fence staples on barbed wire fence - that stuff can be re-purposed big time. Pliers grab a hot pot off a fire or push a needle through heavy leather or other hard material. Don't cheap out on a half ass Chinese knock-off and for crying out loud tie it off with a lanyard to your person. I agree that the multi-bitted kit is probably not of much use.
Will the kit be found when you need it ? That is a crap shoot. But it does at least give you something to shoot for and maybe a chance. Thanks for the feedback - it's all good.
srsly, people need to get out in the woods and see what's out there. Not the state park, all manicured to your liking. REAL woods, where nobody goes, and your cache is unlikely to be found. By anybody. Especially you.Delete
We're surrounded by woods on 4 sides and miles deep. Our closest neighbor, according to google maps, is about 700 feet away, and though I can see their house through the woods in the winter, right now, in the summer, they don't exist. The immense foliage obscures them completely. In the winter I can walk to their house through the woods with some difficulty in about 10 minutes. In the summer it will take about 20-30. The ground covering is that intense. Thousands of small underlings spring up out of nowhere and in most places the 12 inch deep leaves below are not even visible.
Did I mention the deadfall? Hills are everywhere here and some are pretty daunting and some are not navigable. All forests have deadfall and hills have immense amounts. (Most hollywood movies have woods that have been cleaned up and rarely show deadfall as it is.) Bring your climbing gear.
And keep an eye overhead for huge branches caught up in adjacent trees. Last week we got some wind and now a large 40' long branch is hung up about 30' up in the air, bound to come down at some point and take out our satellite dish. I estimate it is over 1000 lbs based on other branches that have fallen around here. That sort of thing will kill you.
My point here is that if you are unfamiliar with the dramatic seasonal changes that take place in the forests you should make yourself familiar if you expect to have any activity there in the future. They are changing all the time, it is a living thing. Constantly growing, dying. Old stuff, new stuff.
I've heard it said the cells in a persons body recycle every 10 years so the person you were 10 years ago is gone and you are now all new. Same for the forest. Cache something today, map it out thoroughly, mark a couple trees, set some stones, whatever, but when you go back in 3 years there's a good chance your cache will not be located. Don't take my word for it, go find out yourself.
Speaks well for caching slightly off regular camping spots. I guess we are a bit spoiled out here in the big ass desert.Delete
Let me see if I got this right...economic collapse, maurading bandits, BOL living...and yet our Lord Bison has the "wherewithal" (ahem!) to engage in naturistic nookie time with some nubile young thing?ReplyDelete
I HAVE FOUND MY PEEPS! Praise the Lord.
Note to self, stock up on lil' blue pills, generic, of course.
Young thing? Old, fat and ugly need loving too.Delete
Most "Joe Average" guys and many enthusiasts are unskilled with the practical use of their guns, can only shoot from their right shoulder, and don't understand or don't care how to use cover properly. If you have locations around your position that could be used to assault you, it would be wise to remove them. If you can't remove them, try to modify them so that they're forced to fire from their left shoulder and be less accurate, or get frustrated and expose more of their body to you. You can do things to make the ground around the cover awkward or painful to use, which is even better at night.ReplyDelete
Regarding getting caught in the buff. The survival course I did that was run by an ex-SAS instructor. He told us the closest he came to coming a cropper was early on in his career. They decided to take the easy way home and built a raft for the return leg of the exercise. They were in their shorts and meandered down the river. Long story short. It was hot so they'd stripped down to their shorts. Disaster struck and they lost all their gear. So basically all they had was what they were wearing.ReplyDelete
The instructor was in a bad way because he'd had a mouthfull of untreated river water.
The other bit of info he gave was that the SAS liked to take their troopers out and tell them to strip off then tell them they'd return in a weeks time for them.
The tip was this, wear one of those paracord bracelets. If you can imagine the naked trooper would position his body so that the arm with the bracelet wasn't visible in the hope the instructors would miss it.
I wear one whenever I leave the house. My missus thinks I'm crazy. Is that so? Is it crazy to be ready to tie up a kangaroo that was looting the sheeps tucker? No. You're the crazy one for not having a paracord bracelet!
It amazes me , just how unprepared and without skills most folks are...ReplyDelete
The big project of concealment fencing I recently completed , has the value of hiding projects unknown to the code enforcement gestapo. Once said projects are completed...hard for them to know when it was done.
But if you're not guilty, what do you have to hide, citizen?Delete
There's always fly over observation...Delete
You can only do so much. Become known as a solid citizen and the man isn't concerned about you. They are too busy messing with the known bad guys.
I would argue they are just going after easy targets, to minimize the work. Not sure how that is translatable to avoiding them. But being a Solid Citizen can only go so far, as they protect their jobs.Delete
In Cape Coral, FL they have thousands of vacant lots and they paint a BIG white stripe on the street in front of them. Lot owners must keep the vacant lots mowed otherwise the city will mow them and bill the owner or lien the property.Delete
At our new house there are vacant lots on 3 sides, left, right, rear. One year we received a bill from the city for $355 for lot mowing. WTF??? I called them and found out the surveilance plane mistook our house for the vacant lot next door. Plane??? I'd seen the small cessna's flying around but I never suspected they were anything other than innocent. Anyway the thing got corrected, cause I have a $2k rider and keep the yard nice for barefeets and proved it. But yeah, code enforcement people are real horz. I think they get commission on the infractions they find. Know who the best code enforcers are? Your neighbors. Especially the friendly ones. Those are the ones who'll get their throats slit first when the time comes.
I like your attitude on those kinds of neighbors. I have many I wouldn't mind see in my SoyLent Green.Delete
Hello, Lord Bison! May your Raven Locks shimmer eternally. Instead of spending a lot of money and time on a BOL, consider taking over a foreclosure house. There are lots of them everywhere. Pick door lock, gain entry, install cheap locks you have a key for, bypass smart meter for power ( procedure on Youtube ) turn on water after bypassing meter, turn on gas, you are home! If you are low profile, no one will care. If cops come, show them a lease that you are renting from Mr. Amadue. Nigerians have been renting out vacant houses for years. When you are finally evicted, you should have found another house and prepped it.ReplyDelete
Ha! You sneaky bastard! Love it. Not advocating any law breaking, Bison International Publishing Empire Inc. assumes no responsibility. Entertainment purposes onlyDelete