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Friday, January 5, 2018

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PLAN ON CLAN

What do you always hear from Survivalist Guru’s ( even myself, though muted or with qualifiers )?  Move out to the country.  Move away from the city.  It is sound advice, but it is also mostly unrealistic.  I didn’t move out to the country-I moved out to the suburbs, even if compared to your built up on grid suburb yours looks different than my dusty forgotten patch of nothing.  Back East where five miles included swamps, muddy roads, mountains and forest, that might be enough space.  Here in the West, not so much.

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Moving out to the middle of BTE is a great idea, but far more problematic than admitted ( just the petroleum dependence alone will bite you in the ass ), and it is also very unrealistic for all but those who can pay for a consultant to tell them which half million dollar home is preferable.  Working class folks are probably the best off just moving to as small of a city as possible with an affordable lot of land as close to that as feasible.  BUT!  That is just finances and job security.  What about a far more important factor-tribal.

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We can’t afford a survival group.  They are not cheap in most instances.  You either are a far flung group that agrees to pool resources to centralize when needed ( which not only costs money but also time to keep in touch planning and training in meatspace ), or you must buy all the supplies to bribe others to join you.  Then, crap hit’s the fan, they join you, eat your food, then try to tell you what to do for their convenience.  Only successful tribes form from unquestioned loyalty in return for resources, caloric and strategic, and the dynamic of bribing another to join your group dooms you from the start ( that will be a separate article ).

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So, since we can afford neither hell and gone boonie retreats nor buying our way into a group, we do the best we can with what we’ve got and remain content with our “other life ( non-prepper” )” friends and family.  They offer NO chance of a survival group, they are nothing expect your normal life support group.  Your clan or tribe.  We are Monkey Men and we all need a support group.  And if that means sacrificing a safer place, that is what most folks do.  I’m a bit less needy of groups, content with mere casual contact with other humans, but I still can’t function properly in my preferred role of hermit.

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So, let’s follow that thread.  We can all agree that THE safest way to prepare would be to assume a location of a hermit.  So far out past the electric grid or paved road that only the most dedicated hiker would even come close.  Twenty years of supplies ferried out by gasoline ATV in one orgasmic investment period, then disposed of to slash that civilization resupply link ( foot or bike transport after that, no more than monthly ).  Damn, just talking about it makes me fantasize.  Now, how realistic is that?  For 99.99% of us, not very, at all.  Why?  We need to live with other humans.

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So, right off the bat, you have compromised your survival plans by NOT following the best advice on prepping.  Let’s face it, all this blather and On High advice is bullspit just from that alone.  If the experts are so expert, the ONLY advice they would give you would be to disappear and Go Hermit.  That is really the only surefire way to survive.  Well, survive your fellow men.  No guarantees with bears.  So, by compromising and allowing you to get much closer to danger ( even most Redoubt Retreats are merely one gravel driveway away from a paved road, so all those Super Ninja Hidden Retreats are still on the map and easily accessible ), just how good is the rest of their advice?

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Again, I’m NOT saying they are giving you unrealistic advice ( except financially ), I’m saying their nearly impossible practical advice isn’t really as safe as they or you assume.  By the very nature of being near enough people to socialize with, you are in danger.  Not from city dwellers far away, but from the locals themselves.  Not everyone.  Some folks have like minded neighbors.  But the majority.  So, the situation as it stands for The Best It Gets is that you are out of the city but still either On Grid or real darn close with neighbors you can trust. 

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Which, I might remind you, can happen anywhere in rural agricultural areas, not just Idaho ( the prepper ideal which is not very far removed from Spokane Washington, I might remind you ).  And, I must also remind you, is JUST the ideal.  It isn’t the NORM.  Most folks have suck ass neighbors.  Our culture has disintegrated for so long ( fifty years, two generations ) that the odds of having mannered prepared neighbors approaches Lottery Odds.  So, you can’t be truly safe, except as a hermit.  You can’t be all that safe in the boonies Near Grid.  As in, realistically for most people.

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So most folks are probably going to be suburban preppers.  Even the “two acres of woods” is right next door to the neighbors two acres within comfortable walking distance of a town which is just outside of a city.  Damn overpopulation.  Thanks, Trump, let in another fifty thousand Muslims next year just to rub salt in our wounds ( hey, we must deserve it-we are poor ).  Now, that sucks, being a suburban prepper.  It is in fact too close to other people.  But, really, how bad off are you?  If the Prepper Ideal as preached isn’t as safe as alleged, because it isn’t Hermit Survivalism, how much worse are you as a suburban prepper?  You have more neighbors, granted.  So what?  It takes about three guys to kill you.  If thirty thousand, three hundred thousand or three million other neighbors are right behind them, you are still dead.

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Yes, it is true that the less people who are around the better your odds are.  Does that make you more safe or does that just mean we don’t understand probability well enough?  If your county has three people per square mile, instead of three hundred, does it matter?  You aren’t living in the square mile that has zero folks, you are living in the one with dozens per.  Darn that stinking “average”. 

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I’m NOT telling you that the conventional advice is wrong.  Less people is ALWAYS better.  Get away from as many as you can.  I’m telling you that LESS might still be a false sense of security.  Hell, you might have the Judas sleeping in your same bed ( trophy wives are only loyal to your wallet, not you.  That poor gal who sticks with you through poverty, that’s the keeper.  So what if her boobs sag?  They are easier to grab that way when you jam her up against the wall ).  If you have ANY people around you ( the current non-loyalty type ), that is more dangerous than being in a more populated area with your loyal clan to fall back on in times of trouble.

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37 comments:

  1. Yes indeed I'll keep my saggy boobed LOL.
    That and claymores stacked ten deep.
    After awhile the pile of bodies might become, shall we say intimidating ?
    My nextdoor neighbor is an old boat person from VietNam who served as a regular back during my war. He is quite resourceful with widgets and good at farming too.
    Got woods all the way to the swamp from here, if, rather when we must bug out lol

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    1. I wonder if Armstrong is right on the coming Ice Age. We might be bugging out a lot quicker than if the economy or oil were our only concern.

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    2. In my humble opinion, cycles of heating drive North displacing the cold polar airs location. All that evaporated water from the Pacific, comes back down as snow. Given that Greenland s dumping tons of fresh water into the gulf stream current, could well reverse it...then you could see a permanent polar vortex form. Instant ice age ?

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    3. This was more about the Solar Minimum ( grand minimum? ), supposedly the worst in thousands of years.
      https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/climate-change-is-the-an-omg-event/

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    4. I haven't read it but I've seen it referenced on Vault Co

      https://www.amazon.com/Not-Fire-But-Robert-Felix/dp/0964874687

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    5. I don't have that particular book, but one similar, plus Bell's batcrap crazy one. Not sure I buy "nature flash freezes us". A summer that never comes, then drought, minor temp drops ( just enough to kill crops ), a decade or two for the glaciers to expand, yes. Not saying it will be that bad. Just, worse than now.

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    6. Global warming of the oceans is a known fact. Parties just want to argue the causes.
      The Mauder minimum is also a known climate changing event.
      Perhaps these violent swings in the jet stream are just the two forces competing ?

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    7. Competing forces-you are probably correct. Look, I don't confirm or deny Gore Warming. I merely suggest that there is a lot of questionable methodology from that crowd. I just naturally assume if the Elite and the PC crowd are behind something, I must remain cynical.

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  2. “Back East where five miles included swamps, muddy roads, mountains and forest, that might be enough space.  Here in the West, not so much.”


    True, but I think that the population density east of the Mississippi would erase any advantages that the wooded eastern areas might have otherwise provided. Also, the level of insect life in such areas, and typhoid, will make such a geographic location particularly trying post collapse. Though I do feel that Floridians have somewhat of an advantage if they’re willing to brave the everglades, along with the large man-eating reptiles that call it their home. A houseboat would work, and allow you to move around. An Airboat will get you out to it real quick when the time comes.

    Though there have been others here commenting that they do not believe this to be the case, my own anecdotal experiences would be that going way out eliminates almost all people. Few people have the dedication to hike for many miles with a backpack, and kids today rarely even leave their own homes. But your chosen location must not have easy access, and no roads or trails leading to or near your locale.

    As I mentioned in a previous comment, the desert is probably a good place to hide, since almost no one would try to brave such waterless and remote areas. But as I also mentioned, you will need to scout out the area for all available water sources, and know how to read a topographical map.

    It’s a matter of the degree of collapse. High unemployment followed by joblessness, and crime goes up. But if that’s all you’re dealing with, the small town location will suffice. For the complete and total collapse that you suggest will happen, you had better be way out in the middle of no where, or be fine with death. A catastrophic event such as a solar flare, EMP blast, massive terrorist attack, etc, may result in an instant collapse; something to keep in mind.

    I seem to recall that in Earth Abides, there was a member of the clan that was unruly and uncooperative, making for a good deal of problems. The other tribe members remedied this by killing him.

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    1. Earth Abides. God, how I hate that book. The part you describe sounds like a darn good Life Lesson. I must have been so disgusted with the rest of the book I forgot or ignored that.

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    2. I actually didn’t get through the entire book Jim. It was assigned to us in senior english class way back in 1983 (I’m kind of old) but I never actually finished it. But one evening a few years back they were playing a vintage radio show version of the book, and I recalled the difficult dude. Since I fell a sleep and missed the end, I asked the liberal at work (since this was his favorite book) how it ended, and he informed me that they took the dude out.

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    3. I think I read it in the 80's myself. Perhaps I was too unfavorable as I compared it to Lucifer's Hammer. I tried reading it again not too long ago and quit early on with the "one survivor, millions of cans of food to eat" BS.

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    4. Food is always the downfall of TEOTWAWKI / Zombie / Militia porn stories. Why? Because food is boring but essential. It's bulky but essential.

      Logistics is the boring aspect of any adventure. But your not going to be the Navy Seals that ran out of ammo in an Afghanistan firefight that beat the Taliban fighters to death using rocks. You're not going to be the UK squadies who, when they ran out of ammo, fixed bayonets charged routing the insurgents. Those stories are exceptions and it's not going to be you. Logistics logistics.

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    5. And logistics isn't just "stuff in the warehouse, moved around". It is much more-as in, the resources to make the stuff and the ability to move it, with more than just stored fuel. Almost no stories tackle true logistics.

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  3. Maybe a houseboat on a large Western lake might work for some. Food - water - and the ability to move if the neighbors appear to be riled up for whatever reason. Staying in one place would eventually have a wood fuel shortage, even if left completely alone. Knowing the 'growies' and how and when to process them would be precious information.

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    1. True, on staying in one place. However, drawback-you keep having to fight each new group in territorial disputes. Depends on the waterway, of course, but still a concern when you go ashore for whatever.

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  4. You're probably going to die a horrible death no matter what you do to prepare.

    Have a nice day.

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    1. True. But there are levels of preparing. Changing light bulbs and voting does nothing to help you survive Gore Warming. Living in a houseboat in Florida allows you to laugh at the water levels rising ( within reason-too high and the fresh water flora/fauna die and you lose food gathering capability ). The odds are seemingly far better in your favor even if the end result is, rationally, the same.

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  5. Clan. Clan is family both blood and marriage or relations near as close as marriage. Clan is the foundation of feudalism - one clan rises to power over other local clans and gets loyalty from those clans in exchange for protection, etc. Clans still exist. Look at the mexican extended families where grandparents, parents, children for 3 to 5 generations all live together or near by. Look at our TV sitcoms - they are fading but the Brady Bunch was not the only show with a large family, or smaller family and associated families that were basically small tribes or clans in the modern world.
    We really can only to a minor extent pick our clan. We can pick our spouse and their relations to some extent, we can divest ourselves of our extended family for now in today's world- which may be a good idea if they are toxic enough. We can also make close friendships that can approach that of a relative IF you can invest the time and be on the same page enough.

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    1. Ah, Clan Brady-being hip and cool for ratings. The pre-PC, and pro-Black cash out.

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    2. Clan is when a group of Vietnamese & a group of Pacific Islanders brawl in the street with machetes, axes and clubs. The Islanders are losing then the Police show up. Nobody and I mean nobody talks to the Police. In fact the Police are told to go away because it doesn't involve them. LOL. Multiculturalism - But how good is the food?

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    3. If the only good thing to come out of multiculturalism is the food, how bad at we are reading a recipe? You can't bring ideas back with you on vacation?

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  6. My cousin lives on a large rural property. His neighbour is making his life hell.

    I had a neighbour whom I got along with really well.... until we didn't. Not MY fault but rather inlaws who visited (for an extended period of time ... we're talking unreasonable for a "visit") and point blank refused to mollify their behaviour that was 1) angering my neighbour 2) they were 100% in the wrong 3) easily and I mean EASILY rectified. In the end we had to move before it came to bloodshed (it really was that serious). Best thing though was on the day we moved out he was being a total prick, drunk and causing problems. The real estate thought that the day we were moving would be a great day to show prospective renters through the house. My neighbour caused a bit of strife and a potential renter knocked him out. So I showed up for the next load to move and old mate is lying on the ground being treated by paramedics. LOL

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  7. * so from that experience we don't talk to our neighbours and keep to ourselves. The neighbour over my back fence love to yell at their kids (kids are out of control). The very same in-laws are visiting. One of them felt the need to go over and have a chat. I told him point blank that if he couldn't mind his own business I'd rent a motel room for him and he'd have to go and go right that minute. I can't afford to move again so it'd be stay and fight

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    1. Yeh, family. And they are the BEST you can do in a pinch for clan.

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  8. 20 years of supplies ferried by ATV...
    I don't own an ATV, but I've done work with them before, the working-type 4x4 with front and rear racks. 20 years or even one year of supplies would take forever. If you're going over rough terrain, especially uphill, that's a no-go with a loaded rear rack. The first bump will tip your front end up and you'll overturn backwards and get crushed to death. Also, say you have 400 pounds of gear plus yourself on the ATV, so you've maxed out your GVWR. That means you'll have to be in low-range 4x4 to move your supplies which actually burns a lot more fuel than you would think. In some situations you probably could only get an ATV in. A better plan might be to create a rough road that could be handled by a 4x4 pickup with decent ground clearance. Rent or borrow the pickup, then after you're done, de-road your road by replacing brush/trees that you cut, rolling rocks back in, digging holes, etc.
    Peace out

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    1. You have a very good point. Low enough weight to be safe, it would take forever, taking forever you might run out of time. I've seen peoples gold claims where I have no idea how they got an RV into place. Perhaps weaving in and out of obstacles, if you made just a few trips ( relatively ) wouldn't leave a trail. Perhaps this is only feasible with a few years supply.

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    2. You might have decent luck with a small CJ style Jeep and a trailer. Another consideration would be to hire a pilot to drop lift in a large load of cargo. The main problem here of course is that the pilot knows where it is, so this is not a desirable option for the most part.

      The best style of ATV that I have seen to date are like the one in the link below, and will go anywhere (amphibious too) but I’d doubt that they’re cheap. The option to rent one might exist though.

      http://www.maxatvs.com/maxatvs/index2173.html?src=gendocs&ref=guided_tour_maxBuff&category=Guided%20Tour

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    3. The amount a vehicle cost, you might as well go back to Ho Chi Min trail bike hauling. They have $300 trailers that will haul a fridge. One years food is twelve buckets. Shelter can be stick lumber and ferrocement. Even one round trip and day will get your bare ass savage primitive supplies there in two weeks. See? I try to be nice, include machine power to help a minion out and before you know it the movers cost 20k.

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    4. To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting that anyone purchase expensive machinery for this purpose, but rather rent or purchase a cheap used ATV or motorcycle/trailer combo if you must. One round bicycle trip a day wouldn’t put you anywhere far enough from the types of danger that we’re referring to here. But I was assuming the complete and total collapse that you’re often alluding to here in your blog. But in order to practically get out far enough to be safe, you might have to spend a little more than you wish upfront.

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    5. Right, sorry. I wasn't really referring to your comment specifically but just the shared general attitude. It is hard to do sarcasm some times, especially in short comment form. My bad. I think if you rented a U-Haul for a week or two ( the daily rental is cheap-it's the mileage that kills you ) and loaded it up and parked it as close as possible, the bike trips, with trailer and electric motor assist, could do a decent job for you. Yes, there are multiple ways of doing this. I could actually drive up to my remote land in a truck. It is just, literally, a drive at 5 mph because the road was built thirty years ago ( or whatever ) and never maintained. It is only five miles from everyone but it is so out of the way with no end destination that I would be quite safe. Thirty miles from the road would be great, but few will do that. You just have to be far enough away, not tens of miles, so while that isn't perfect it's better than the norm. Spending upfront isn't the issue as much as if you can get that investment money at all. Nothing you've said is wrong, this is just nitpicking to try to arrive at a most practical solution.

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    6. “I could actually drive up to my remote land in a truck. It is just, literally, a drive at 5 mph because the road was built thirty years ago ( or whatever ) and never maintained. It is only five miles from everyone but it is so out of the way with no end destination that I would be quite safe. Thirty miles from the road would be great, but few will do that.”


      I’m the Elko minion Jim, and your words above are comforting to me. I know it’s not perfect, as I’d rather be even further out, but it sounds good enough to me. Fortunately, I do have an old Jeep Cherokee sitting here in the yard. I haven’t driven it in years, but back when I was gainfully employed, I replaced the engine and clutch in it. It’s old and has a lot of problems, but mechanically, it’s sound. It’s not worth selling because it’s only worth about $1500, and I have more than that into it, so I’ll keep it. The engine only has about 1500 miles on it to this day, so technically, it should be the last vehicle that I ever have to buy. I’m also the minion that wanted a motorcycle. Truth be told, I’m scared of them, and am not sure that I would ever get one, but I’m also not ruling it out.

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    7. I would think that with the jeep, at one visit to town a month, 400 miles a year, tires and engine would last forever. The gas you use would be so minimal compared to the cost of a bike I wouldn't bother. And you are right. I foolishly rode bikes in my teens/early 20's and almost killed myself a couple of times. It was retarded to ride even then with so much less traffic. Now...

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  9. Lord Bison,
    Perhaps an article on volunteer groups. I joined the Red Cross years ago and have learned a lot and met a lot of folks in the emergency fields. being with a volunteer organization gives you access when the general public would not. lots of free or low cost training but the real advantage is the connections you make with the police, fire, and other agencies

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    1. That isn't a bad idea, but that has to be the group you want to identify with/join. The Mayors shock troops. Remember, these are your imperial troops ( I know it is weird to speak of firefighters like this-but as the economy crumbles whose pay you take will bring unhealthy loyalties. In some areas, firefighter pensions are already going to cost taxpayers a lot extra. Perhaps enough to kick you out of your house because the property taxes skyrocketed ).

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    2. So true, but I have family that are connected with the local fire dept. It is the only tribe available for me.

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    3. So, you personally are fine. I just don't think it would work for the other minions.

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