As any of you know either first hand or from pop culture, while in the military there was a fun little game where “volunteers” were chosen by the leadership, without the victims input. No matter how dumb as dirt, recruits learned very quickly that to volunteer was to give consent to being screwed. At least if you didn't consent you were able to keep a smidge of your dignity. Hence, other than the occasional brown nose that was just trying to curry favor ( it is expected that officers would do so, not enlisted ), no one would ever voluntarily volunteer. So it was done for you.
I was watching a “Prepper Princess” ( literally her name, not my use of it as a slur ) video the other day ( since the economic news is pretty much on hold right now, I'm watching ones I normally avoid such as hers or Bear Independent. Normally both are fine, they just don't appeal to me very often ) and she did a bit on Forced Minimalism. Her question was, how much is downsizing voluntary and how much is forced onto us. My question became, isn't this just a very clear indicator of the economic collapse?
Price is a very good rationing system. As I said a little while ago, better available expensive gasoline in a hurricane evacuation instead of no gasoline at cheap prices. High prices blow monkey member, but sometimes it is better to pay more than to have none. Other times, prices are insane and yet no products are available anyway ( the ammunition component drought, or the hi-cap mags ), but that seems to be rather rare. Mostly, in our industrial oil age. For now. I think we will return to the historic norm of both high prices and restricted access.
But even when high prices don't lead to a return of the product, at least they slow demand initially or create substitutes. Again, sometimes. When food canning steel first jacked up in price ( in that $150 oil time frame ), it looked like canners tried everything under the sun to substitute metal. There were Mylar pouches, and plastic cups with the plastic sheeting over that ( like, a cup of applesauce for a kids lunch ). I think that is when Wal-Mart generic Spam got its poor reputation for failing lids.
I think pouches did pretty good taking over a lot of packaging, but it seems only for the high value items. So it must have never achieved the economics of scale. Canning was a 150+ year industry, so pouches just weren't going to compete. Metal can high prices were just going to be a permanent fixture. As we see them used less and less. And since the industry is so centralized, one company changing packaging means you don't see ANY available package. I haven't seen #10 can instant mashed potatoes since Y2K. It is all in rodent friendly containers now.
You don't see metal can prepper 5 gallon wheat anymore, it is all plastic ( I have some metal cans from the 80's, and know for a fact Baby Jesus led me to that trash picking. Stew in jealously! ). I've never seen a two pound metal can of shortening other than in old films. Not to say these things don't exist, just that it is close enough to impossible to find to set a standard of Not Available. It is one thing when food packaging decreases in quality, but it is now that way across the economy, except where price rationing still works.
When was the last time a standard home was built with any kind of quality material, or with quality labor? Not to say construction guys don't work hard, just that it us an assembly line, not a craftsman's product. How about auto's? Even the two quality winners Toyota and Honda are decreasing the lifespan of their parts, even if they still last longer than anything else. They just don't last anywhere as long as older Toyota's and Honda's ( I would still confidently buy anything Honda, and gladly pay the extra price, if I wasn't firmly in the camp of carbon fuel motors being near obsolete after Peak Oil ).
Clothing, even by the reputable companies, is decreasing in quality. They want us to blame the ill paid Chinese workers, but the sad fact is that China manufactures EXACTLY what you tell them to, from “crap” to “world leader”. The Krauts sure as hell aren't THAT any more. As with paper currency, everyone is racing to the bottom. But, I digressed. There are many ways to mix and match prices and quality to your income range. And yes, this is both a voluntary move to forced minimalism AND a forced pressure brought about by scarcity.
Right now, with price rationing in effect, we have the choice to voluntarily downsize. We can choose the route already co-opted by the Banker Scum, or we can pick the smarter, frugal choice. And if we do neither, the future “volunteer, military style”, will be both extreme prices AND unavailability. Two areas co-opted by Evil Rothschild's are “tiny houses” and Recreational Vehicles. Tiny Houses were a joke from day one. They cost more than what I'd pay for a house, thirty years ago. If you buy a storage shed from Home Despot, they don't even cover up the puny wood pieces.
You are paying $5k for about $700 in material cost. Do yourself a favor. If you don't want to go completely primitive like a ferrocement dome ( you GO!, Demented Guy-still my hero ), just buy a $60-$100 connector kit for a square/rectangle shed and follow the instructions to your own shed at a fraction of the price to have a couple of illegals slap one together for you. You want to stop being demographically replaced, don't give Latino Labor any of your diminishing paycheck. Don't buy California produce, but rather that from Mexico. Keep Mexicans Home! Nothing personal guys.
I've covered the decline of the RV industry too many times for your comfort. Just know that it is a complete racket now, only enriching a new fat cats snorting blow and boffing bitches. Anyone wanting an RV for Minimalist Living needs two things. A place to park it, cheap. You cannot beat junk land. It is cheaper than paying for gas to keep living on BLM land ( and going far into town for supplies ). And second, the ability to cover that RV with more building materials. You do NOT want to live in an RV as it is. Period. Full stop. JUST living in one is embracing Full Suck of the banker approved carbon fuel living. You must use one as a springboard ONLY. I'll continue right there, tomorrow.
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I was watching prepper princess just recently. I forgot the topic, but in essence, it was how screwed up Commiefornia is, and that she’s leaving it. I noticed that right off (Much to the dismay of her followers) she threw in a disclaimer to the effect of “it has nothing to do with politics”. Of course the comments section corrected her by stating that it has everything to do with politics. But I understand why she did it, and don’t blame her. She doesn’t want to be demonetized. Some of these people make a good living from their channels.ReplyDelete
Totally agree on the tiny house movement. Waaaay overpriced. I’m trying to figure out who it is that’s buying those damn things, and I keep coming back to millennials. Because after all, who else would be foolish enough to drop $20k to $40k grand plus on a 8’x15’ shed, that isn’t even legal to park in most places :D Yeah, I know that they’re fully equipped with appliances and the such, but still, they’re a blatant rip off.
I live in an RV. Unless you buy one for the one time purpose of hauling it to your property to bury underground, like the Hobo in Rancho Costa Nada, I wouldn’t bother to try and live in one. And it isn’t just the newer models. My 35 year old RV is a steaming pile of crap too.
Ah, but old piles of crap RV's are NOT as bad as newer piles of crap RV's. Like older Chevy's. I agree on the needed end game, not to live in as-is, and one must be careful on the price. They serve a purpose, just not as well as they used to.Delete
Yeah, I see where you’re coming from. I still wish that we had our 1964 Chevrolet pick up. That thing would still be going strong, if my dumbass hadn’t taken it upon himself to “rebuild it”. If you had an old vehicle like that, you could rebuild it from the ground up, yourself, for probably no more than a few grand, and it would go for another 50 years! Modern cars with their multiple electronic controlled devices, start acting up long before the old cars. And once they do, it’s practically impossible to track down the million and one additional things that can go wrong with them.Delete
As far as modern housing, you’re also right. Modern houses are crap. In the 1950’s, houses were made of boards; actual sawed lumber boards (And usually redwood, here in the west). Sure, you can do that today, if you’re willing to pay 5 times extra, on top of the already inflated cost of housing. Sure, modern times have brought us such innovations such as better insulating material, or HardiePlank® siding. But have you priced that stuff lately? May as well just invest in precious metals. And all that insulation really does is help save a few pennies in energy costs. When it’s cold as hell out, the heater will still be running non-stop. All neighborhoods should have been planned to be earth sheltered, or semi-earth sheltered from day one. But that’s too much extra work up front, to save a ton of resources down the road :D
Like how landlords put in the cheapest energy pigs if the apartment renters are paying the electric. But home builders made that choice for us, and still pocketed the difference. I can't see how anyone buys today's turds at a quarter million.Delete
Wood structures need a warning label:Delete
"Use as directed may result in burning death and disfigurement. Extreme caution advised. Not for use with unattended children or elderly. Open flames discouraged. Extreme mold and fungus hazard. Avoid use by the immune-compromised."
How do concrete structures hold up to earthquakes? Asking for a friend.Delete
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- None of us should go 'all-in' on any one type of storage container. Steel and plastic barrels, steel cans, plastic buckets, mylar bags, aluminum/stainless containers, glass, etc. all have their advantages and disadvantages. To me, the ultimate 'forever' container for food is the 40 ounce beer bottle where the aluminum screw cap has been dipped in melted wax after being filled with grain. Of course its disadvantage is that it is fragile, but it is a small amount of grain to lose in each bottle. Have a diversity of storage containers.
- Scrap iron prices are at decade lows. This means that the steel canned goods aren't going away immediately. We all need to take advantage while we still have the opportunity. Lord Bison is correct that TPTB are going to "volunteer" us all into being non self-sufficient/autonomous. Two year old military-grade MRE's were still available at Army/Navy surplus stores into the mid-90's for a mere $2/each. Then the grifter from Arkansas, Slick Willy, put a stop to it by ordering the MRE's to be either shipped overseas, incinerated, or dumped into a landfill. I immediately sensed in my spirit that this was a hostile act aimed directly towards the self-sufficient rednecks like me. (Why else waste perfectly good resources??).
- Remember when you could still buy your saltine crackers and Band-Aids in a metal container well into the 80's? This is unimaginable now, so take advantage of what's left to pilfer from the age of surplus. ( Unfortunately, it seems that the only coffee packaged in steel cans anymore is of the total shit variety, but you should buy some just to have the container, even if it will only hold nails/screws in its afterlife.
- If you are fortunate enough to have junk land to bug-out to, and the future comes to a Mad Max existence, then you will wish the hell you would have parked an old school bus on the lot rather than a wimpy RV. You get 360 degree views via the plentiful windows, but you can still install curtains for privacy. Plus you can install a cast iron wood stove for heat. Don't try that in an RV.
- Last thought: Ghostsniper once said he designed a home of pre-built walls and roof that could be stacked flat on a trailer and assembled instantly on a previously laid foundation. This is a genius idea that deserves consideration.
Why do I keep forgetting about school buses? Just because I lived in RV's for almost thirty years ( with a few odd times in "real" shelters )? I don't LIKE living in RV's. But then, I don't like 30 year mortgages either. Sorry about the omission. Keep on keeping my memory as fresh as that bastard is going to get. Bad memory! The odds of a biscuit for you are not looking good.Delete
Design and engineer your home defensively tough as ifDelete
!!! EVERYBODY IS A CANNIBAL SLAVER !!!
looking at your stuff to steal... right after they suck your eyeballs from your screaming skull.
That ought to buy you a precious few extra minutes prior to your eternal slumber.
And remember, if you go cheap/short-term and follow the crowd and build with wood, 'kiln-dried' makes it easier to burn.
For lessons in longevity, tour Hearst Castle on the east coast of the Pacific ocean. Built a century ago, its concrete walls are 2m/6ft thick.
Or check the re-purposed winery housing Napa's Culinary Institute Of America. Built nearly two centuries ago, the walls are 3m/10ft thick concrete and stone.
North of Chico California, the town of Los Molinas has a subdivision of tract homes built of concrete using the 'tilt-up' method for warehouse construction..
If any of these are your introduction to concrete structures, the first thing everybody notices is the quiet. Outside noises don't infiltrate, sound between rooms is muted. Can you imagine living and sleeping without traffic racket or aircraft booming... or the constant background fear of the whole place catching fire?
Did you just use commie measurements? Unacceptable! Please use "freedom measurements".Delete
Prepper Princess is ok on frugal topics. She is moving because her brother had controlling interest in the family house and decided to sell it. She can't afford to get anything else. Or the story was something similar. As for politics, she is a California native and has a "wife" so she may be a bit left but I respect she stays on frugal living and prepping topics and keeps the politics out of it. Bear has some decent info but a huge ego. And IDK if he had any military background but fancies himself a bit of a Rambo. I do watch some of both but prefer some other channels when I have nothing else to do.ReplyDelete
A bus on junk land would be a great option. Lot's of space and sturdy as heck.
I like the idea of a pre-built cabin and have seen many plans for them. With a 12' trailer you could build 12' floor joist sections, 8' wall section, and lumber for roofing. Although weight would add up for a 12 by shelter. Perhaps still the cheapest square footage is still a conex shipping container. I could get an 8x40 (320 sq ft) delivered for about $2000 but you would still have to insulate and all. And have power for a good grinder to make openings.My buddy plans on anchoring one to a slab for a storm shelter.
One could buy a used cargo trailer and build a much cheaper tiny home on wheels that those fancy TV ones. But there's no money to be made on the cheap end. "But I recycled a 3x4' piece of old barn metal and 3 windows so I saved money."
I know you just threw out the $700 in materials cost but that would be pretty small. I figure about $12 sq ft for a basic shed.
The hair Rocks Lord Bison
Yeah, I gave the "$700" about twenty seconds thought. When I built the B-POD in 2012, a 8x8 cube, sticks and plywood, was $300. I just figured I'd be in the ballpark somewhere. I don't even know the sheds sq ft. I'm a lot better now looking up data as I go along, but I'm no where anal about it. "Close enough to not look like an idiot" is the basic standard :)Delete
A 40' shipping container for $2000 would probably be pretty rough, lots of dents, rust, peeling paint, possibly no longer water tight. You also need to do research on their biggest problem for habitation, condensation and mold buildup inside.Delete
Honda isn't the quality they used to be. Pretty much all the Toyota vehicles that have an equivalent in the Honda product line are better quality. Supposedly the Korean cars have now equaled the Japanese in quality. I'm suspicious of future petroleum availability as well, which has kept me from buying something shiny several times.
Outside of my own Honda experience, now almost 40 years old, Scotty on YouTube ( Ask Scotty ) who has been a mechanic for fifty years. He swears by Honda ( the engines, if not always the auto transmissions ). His take on MOST other Ornamental cars besides Honda and Toyota is that they are all only 100k cars. That is all the info I have, but he seems like a really smart dude.Delete
Wondering about the need to anchor a shipping container. Their weight makes anchoring unnecessary, right? They are designed to ride out storms on the ocean.Delete
Well, they were designed to ride out storms at sea, while anchored down. If a tornado can pick up a whole house, are you sure a shipping container will be okay just resting on the ground? Honestly, I have no idea. I'd just be very leery.Delete
We have two high-cube 40s.
The bumblebrats say we have to place them on gravel and cable them to concrete anchors because, and this's a quote:
"We are afraid of them falling over and hurting somebody!"
The building permit people (motto: "It's not permission!") are millennials, and lack competency so they compensate with unenforceable rules created from thin-air with zero basis in reality.
Bless their hearts.
When your tsunami hits, you'll be glad you anchored! :)Delete
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My feeling is that Bear's group is all the same personality type. Think Black Rifle Coffee Company, but in church.Delete
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I'm sure most are sincere. Most. The others, well, I'm sure they don't last long with that kind of attitude.Delete
I had to look up Black Rifle Coffee Company because I kept being offered their videos on YouTube and ... they really are a coffee company, with a healthy helping of Trumpf Ist Mein Fuehrer nuttiness. That just about fits for a company that sounds like its coffee would give you the roaring shits.Delete
For the price price, Trumpf would sell them to ISIS for snuff videos of 'em being eaten alive by rabit hyenas, too, which is the real laugh.
Demented guy, are you still with us?Delete
So much about this story is just wrong. Yea, I know today's journalistic standards and practices leave alot to be desired.
If that is a weapons stash... I'm scared what they would call mine?
Headline in paper. "Local Man Arrested With Weapons Arsenal." With a picture of all my stuff layed out on the local football field. (end to end and side to side)
The guy must have had an SKS at one time for those mags. Yea, I recognize them. :p
Just remember folks. NEVER try to leave the reservations.
Uncle Sugar wants his tax money from you.
Be safe DG.
Seems these propaganda pieces are designed to remind you that "public" land is Uncles land, not the publics. Read and heed, or bleedDelete
Alex-some of their videos are friggin hilarious. Look for the one on Mother's Day. Gourmet coffee would be wasted on me.Delete
Here it is. It never gets oldDelete
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just got 2 40ft.buses from local school district for 2000.00 cnd$ bear proof dry storage,greenhouse that the damn wind can't blow away, maybe bury one for a root cellar.both diesel, allison automatics,can't touch a 40 ft shipping container for less than 5 grand cdn.& back to the cheaper clothes,pockets on western shirts getting smaller, can't get wallet in them & it damn sure isn't the wallet getting any FATTER,getting shorter also wont stay tucked in,liners in gumboots getting thinner & shorter.by the way both buses were deliver free,actually driven out by the mechanics.mobile grow ops maybe? NEVER buy any canned goods from so. africa cans go completely to hell within a year,not even really good for target practice,unless you don't mind sticky fingers all over your prize piece.ReplyDelete
South Africa exports canned food?Delete
If you want supplies in #10 cans, have you considered purchasing through one of the LDS Home Storage locations? I'm not LDS, and I understand that the cost is probably higher than doing it yourself, but it might be something to investigate if that's the way you want to go.ReplyDelete
I agree and understand completely. But I believe you can also order online now and have it shipped to you..Delete
Duh, that's right. That has been talked about before. Thanks.Delete
LDS Online Store, Canned Food by the case:Delete
RE:so africa exporting canned stuff,up here north of the 49th.in both walmart &extra foods, lots of canned fruits etc.probably 3-4 yrs.ago that i bought any, haven't checked lately, getting a tad pissed at all the plastic CANS now,pretty sure they will be a long term storage nightmare. LONG SHELF LIFE, right.ReplyDelete
When you say plastic cans, do you mean like a can of shortening? All one piece plastic, with the "plastic wrap" sealing on top?Delete
Technical note for fellow minions. Use craigslist or other online classified forums to seek out drums or barrels. This may have to be in a city environment for the industry usage. There are fellows that re sell 55 gal. Drums with ratchet band removable tops. They were previous food stocks containers and cleaned up well for re usage. It is like those steel jerry cans at 50 bucks each. Pricey but lifetime of usage. Containers for whatever, are not only for it's content storage ability, but transportable, durability, etc.ReplyDelete
I spend more for the food saver bags and vacuum seal everything storable. As a better longer term storage capability, frozen, dry goods etc.
Investments in future viability.
We have been encountering a package here and there that got passed over too many times and went rancid in the freezer. Not just freezer burned-nasty as in rotten smell. I should have started vacuum sealing all the freezer meat four years ago ( I'm not saying the packages were that old, just that they went past six months. Perhaps they were up to nine/ten months in the freezer ).Delete
Yeah, use food saver bags as they are thicker gauge and a proper better plastic. (Great value generic bags/rolls are not as good) The vacuum pulls air out which is the burn and degrading in freezer. I have only gone about a two year storage time length on frozen meats, as I will eat enough rotation rates anyway. Dry goods are good for years, and a loss of the shrink wrap to the package also tells you there is an air seal leak somewhere in the package as well. Watch stores for close out sales on the food saver sealer units and those multi roll boxes. Wally marks them down to clear out every six months or so.Delete
Go pro, or stay on the porch, Post Apoc.
"Great Value" not so good. Gee, huge surprise there! LOLDelete
What's the big deal with metal cans? Good riddance. Just an observation, schools went all safety conscious in last 20 years and prohibited kids from bringing glass or metal pull top stuff in lunchpack. Remeber when beer and coke cans had a removable tab? (OMG cut my finger off!). Litigation got rid of disposable tabs...I imagine same in lot of packaging.ReplyDelete
Hell, I remember 1 gallon GLASS bottles of milk. Now the Canadians and Europeans sell milk in a plastic pouch for God's sake.
Thus....PLASTIC (cough cough...polyethylene..nat gas..fracking..) is utilized.
If you can save freight charges by decreasing weight (metal cans) hallelujah! Same with reducing litigation costs or disruptions at processing plant when glass containers break.
As for quality housing material...oh yeah, we've made tremendous strides for the better. I did a bit of hammer swinging as a young man. Seen it, done it. For instance, I recall sorting through newly delivered stacks of 2×4 when building interior walls.
Lead carpenter constantly bitched about warps and bends because the sheetrock guys bitched about the bowed walls we built. We could only build as well as the dimensional lumber delivered.
Now days I would demand oriented strandboard 2×4 for interior walls (probably even exterior load bearing) cause I know any price differential is made up for in quality and consistenecy. No more dicking around sorting through a stack just to find a dozen good quality. Mind you this was decades ago.
Same goes for a myriad of other building products...most are far superior than yesteryears. Most recent paint on my house has lasted longer and better than house I grew up in...same city, same weather.
As for your common complaint against autos and their declining quality and longevity. Bumpkis.
Compare any car made in last 10-20 years to any preceeding. Superior. Yep, your '65 Mustang was junk as was your '75 Impala and the '62 Fairlane. Dont even get me started on the '80s Chrysler "K"cars.
I dont get unwound because of an occasional electronic blip...beats having to repack the bearings on that Fairlane every 30K or have a 70's timing gear disintegrate at 70mph.
Two of my last three cars were going strong at 100K miles with minimal mechanicking when sold (at 95K on current one...no problems).
My father said he never thought he would see the day an ordinary person's car would regularly exceed 70K. That was lifespan of his generation's cars.
Yep. Continuous improvement. That's the human way.
I worked convenience stores for decades. The glass soda bottles SUCKED. So, yeah, I can agree with that. I liked metal cans for certain things because I could get a "free" prepper food from the grocery store. No longer. The car quality HAS declined, by the standards of twenty to thirty years ago ( I never considered Cyrstler a real car, in my driving life time ), and by the price metric. What used to be ones years wages is now two, and does NOT last as long before major repairs. My experience only runs from fuel injection/computers to current. On motorcycles, the price difference is even worse. Not that I'd ride one now.Delete
It seems the problem I worry about with new cars is the amount of electric gadgets that can wear out or fail after the warranty endsDelete
I don't understand why you keep reading Bison Blog since you disagree with almost everything he says.
I love Bison's writing. I don't agree with everything he says but I do agree with most of what he says. And some of it is mind opening, thought provoking.
If I may? As one who loves to argue, for its own sake, well...Also, if I only had readers who agreed with me, I'd have three readers. Most of what I say? Fifty readers. 10%? The rest of you :)Delete
9:34-Yeah, it is pretty damn funny ( in a tragic way ) how hideous all the wiring and chips are. I wonder if they even offer manual windows, seat adjusters, hell, even transmissions anymore.Delete
I mentioned this more recently. But the holidays are coming up, so keep an eye out for those popcorn and cookie tins, that you often see during the season. Those things are awesome for storage, and most people throw them out.ReplyDelete
Good reminder. Bah, humbug!Delete
I've heard that many of those who live aboard sailboats on salt water will remove the paper labels from their canned goods and then brush the entire outer surface with clear varnish after they have been relabelled with a black marker.ReplyDelete
No rust EVER!
No worries about flaking varnish falling into the can while opening?Delete
Not with the right stuff, marine-grade varnish like "Spar" etc., and they may not be varnishing the top, just the side and edge.Delete
I think the main idea is to protect the marker-lettering.
The only cans that I didn't get surface rust on stored out at the B-POD were those in junker fridges. Seems an unvarnished top would just be inviting rust.Delete