ASSCLOWN MIGRATIONS 2
Let’s get the basics out of the way. When another group decides to migrate en masse to your area, there isn’t much you can do about it. You cannot possibly stock enough ammunition, and there are pretty easy ways to defeat a small outpost. There is fire. Cutting off their water supply. Snipers. Once a certain number of people surround you, more than likely it is going to be time to eat a bullet. That is the bad news. And let us not mince words. If you live in a food production area, you will be besieged and defeated.
The good news is, you don’t have to live in an area like that. That is why everyone heads to the mountains. Because civilizations thrive in watered lowland valley’s. Not being there is what saves you from being displaced. As a general principle. Given a long enough time line, there are few surrounded areas that can ever withstand replacement. But that is a generations long trend. And humans don’t plan for generations, per se. They can accidentally do so, but the myths of noble savages hugging trees are just that. Fairy tales. If immediate survival calls for too-quick resource extraction, it happens.
But back to the Golden Horde. Lines of drift are important. Stay away from those. But the basics are that you need to be well clear of farmland. Rolling hills are no defense, either. Small mountains in too close of proximity are no long term solution. You need to be well away from migrants paths and migrants target areas, AND adjacent areas that will be strategically important. And no, this doesn’t mean there are only a few safe areas, like the Rocky Mountains. There will always be pockets elsewhere, just as there could be targets within generally safe areas.
Humans are generally lazy bastards. They will go to where the lowest hanging fruit is available. North AND south America filled up before the Eskimos had to settle for what was left. If you just avoid first and favorable targets and have an area favorable to guerrilla warfare you and a few generations should be in a good area. Just remember that in too small of an enclave, eventually lack of generic diversity are going to concentrate mutations. And that isn’t even the immediate Banjo Players from inbreeding, but group wide.
Insular groups such as certain Jews or Indian castes that demand in group marriages can in time breed themselves into a corner genetically. In that aspect, diversity is your strength. You just cannot allow outsiders to change your culture ( no Trojan Horses, such as we currently subsidize and encourage ). Race isn’t nearly as important as cultural advantages. Culture is the immediate adaptation to environment. Race barely counts, and can be so diluted by migration it isn’t even a factor too often. Race doesn’t hurt as an identifier of foreign culture, of course. Just don’t confuse racism with xenophobia.
But back to migrants. Don’t confuse economic and political migrants for the historical migrations that were based on resource scarcity. Muzzies entering Europe are a refugee wave from drought and overpopulation, true, but there would be no resources for them there to exploit if it wasn’t for the welfare states there. The ones that can subsidize new entrants as well as the original inhabitants retiring. You know the immigrants are allowed in to make someone money. Just as the Mexicans are in the US. Someone benefits. So this is more of an economic immigration than over resources.
Not only must you avoid the current economic and political migrants, you must choose wisely about future resource migrants. I imagine the first wave of grass fed nomads took the Europeans by surprise ( as soon as the wheel was invented, the Steppe nomads could haul water and supplies to migrate over those areas without ). But after that, grassland was a known invitation to invasion, as soon as the nomads experienced a drought. What areas are likely to be future targets, just as the plains of Europe were? Wherever the area will feed an army. Nomadic or agriculturally.
You might be looking favorably at the plains of eastern Montana or the Dakotas right now, as the population is falling and the winters will keep the urban communists out. Or will it? Sure, in the immediate aftermath of a collapse. In the last stages of the economic decline as there are no jobs or modern infrastructure, but what about future nomads? I doubt that the buffalo will make a comeback. The landscape is changed and I doubt any surviving population will allow the herds to grow past their current bottleneck numbers. So traditional nomadic livestock will probably thrive there. Are you one of them, or are you in their way?
These groups aren’t after your pathetic few #10 cans of freeze dried downer cow. They have meat on the hoof. They will be after you because you are in their territory. If you have a skill they need, and they know about it, you might be lucky enough to be folded into their group. Otherwise, the riff-raff must be cleared. You could be on useless land, but it is still theirs. You are a potential spy or staging area for insurrection. There is none of this crap about Can’t We All Just Get Along.
Recall what happened to the Jesuits in Japan. They were contaminants and hence removed. Enclaves are usually forcefully removed when the political winds shift. Nothing personal, you understand, but off with your head Foreigner Devil. But also keep in mind energy availability. The foreigners in the swamps of Louisiana or in the dark areas of the Appalachians were economically embargoed and left to rot on their own, until after WWII when our oil abundance allowed forceful integration and cultural genocide and homogenization. Your enemy must have mobility and the military capacity, a surplus, to go after you if you are otherwise not a target.
If you are near a vital water source, or at a strategic stronghold or near fertile flatland, you will be an immediate target regardless of the cost of eliminating you. Otherwise, you’ll have time. Because remember that the first waves are entire populations displaced by resource issues. They aren’t professional armies ( unless all of the society is militarized ). You just have to make it difficult enough and be as little of a target as possible to avoid the crowds. This is not always obvious, as otherwise worthless areas are strategically important of which you have no idea of.
For instance, say a group further away has a trade item to the valley inhabitants you overlook. What if one of your mountains controls the trade route? It was never used until this new trading agreement went into effect. That sort of thing. And it isn’t that easy making blanket recommendations for the whole country. You know your area best. Just look at it through the eyes of post-oil. Good luck.
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Minions should use more detailed mapping methods. USGS scaled maps, recreational book maps (delorme,etc), or internet / aerial photos. The paved highways or surface roads, rail lines, larger waterways will be the most used as it is what people know of or had experiences with. Those dirt roads used by ranchers, fire crews, etc. That see one traveller a week or so will be exploited later on as routes in lieu of dangerous or blockaded old routes. Your yuppie compound and resources may be on or within line of drift of the new / next migratory path of the new hybridized humanoids with very undesirable characteristics.ReplyDelete
Hell, at least go hiking once in awhile.Delete
Most of my local is only navigable by boat, canoe or on foot.ReplyDelete
Especially so once oil is gone.
But foods are plentiful, if ya know where to look.
And winter is no issue, other than being a more pleasant time of year.
And the Feds did have a problem clearing out the locals from the Swamp, and those were a lot tougher breeding stock than today's.Delete
Not on this topic, but ...ReplyDelete
After collapse I'm really going to miss real weather reports. We're being warned that the first freeze of the year is likely to be tonight. That gives me time to harvest all remaining stuff from my garden. It's not a huge amount of stuff, but every bit helps. I'd have lost this stuff without warning - this would be a VERY early freeze for our area.
Also - some months back you asked me to ask the cooks I work with about knife sharpeners. The universal response was that any knife sharpener that you'll actually use is a good one. Yeah, some aren't as good as others, but dull knives are the bigger problem than 'over long periods of time, your knives will not be 'professional quality' any more.' They use the quick and fast sharpeners VERY regularly, and use whet stones every few months.
Thank you. Pro opinions validating my sharpener choice of course give me warm and fuzzy feelings. As for the weather reporters, I've yet to hear one that was even close to half right. I'll have nothing to miss, myself.Delete
"Once a certain number of people surround you, more than likely it is going to be time to eat a bullet."ReplyDelete
But before you dine in, consider poisoning the food and water supplies your enemy will be partaking. So you can die with more peace, flipping the Enemy off.
I love you, bro! Most excellent idea.Delete
“Let’s get the basics out of the way. When another group decides to migrate en masse to your area, there isn’t much you can do about it. You cannot possibly stock enough ammunition, and there are pretty easy ways to defeat a small outpost.”ReplyDelete
I completely agree, as my comments here have been suggesting for some time now. If you think that you’re going to need an assault weapon, with thousands of rounds of ammunition in order to survive, you’re not going to survive. Take the antifa incident in Portland the other day. You would be so outnumbered in such a scenario, that you wouldn’t stand a chance. And even if you did, and could shoot enough of them, the police (who are forced to stand down by the leftist mayors of such cities) will promptly arrest you for defending yourself. Avoid it all together, and put at a minimum, 500 miles between yourself and such folks.
Also, if you’re going to squat on public land (and I want to say right upfront that I’m not suggesting such a strategy) consider the following criteria before doing so:
Donnells Reservoir, California, USA
“Sometimes called Donnell Lake, it has its own dedicated viewing location and is often seen but seldom visited”.
“Road access suitable only for 4-wheel drive vehicles.”
“Access to the water requires a portage and lowering the craft over 200 feet down the steep face of Donnell Dam.”
“There are no organized recreational sites at Donnells Lake; the few primitive campgrounds are only accessible from the water.”
“The difficulty of getting to Donnells Reservoir is undoubtedly a part of its charm. The waters are never crowded. In fact, many visitors find themselves completely alone on the 425-acre lake.”
500 miles is unrealistic. The US is huge, but it is the third most populated country. Anywhere in the west with water are people and anywhere in the east you are only short distances away. Pick your poison. Just put as much distance as possible and be glad for what you have.Delete
There's a reason it's unpopulated, brutal winters, which pretty much coincide with all the wildlife having left for lower elevation. Some forest areas are actually like deserts as far as animal populations.Delete
I don't think most people appreciate how Oil Age subsidized our hunting is and how most areas will be totally unsuitable for it. The apex predators already there can easily starve.Delete
Doctors in the U.S. who have dealt with the Amish and their high number of birth-defects when just a dozen or so families move to a new area, have put out the number of "70" as the minimum number of females to safely start a new tribe.ReplyDelete
In the late 80's, I heard from credible people that the Amish paid local Rednecks in southeastern Minnesota to 'breed' their teenage daughters after this warning from the doctors. The account I heard said that both Ma and Pa were in the room to oversee, while Ma merely lifted her daughter's dress, as she lay on a bed, to barely accommodate for copulation.
That number 70 would have to remain constant, also. New blood all the time. If your source wasn't credible, I'd have a hard time believing that breeding story. My first thought is, how does the guy perform? :(Delete
Hell, if they're paying they can watch if that's their kink.Delete
Now there is a picture :)Delete
"You need to be well away from migrants paths and migrants target areas, AND adjacent areas that will be strategically important."ReplyDelete
How does this square with your location in Elko? You're on the main travel route (I-80), near a decent sized town (with a likely store of goods) and near a good water source (the Humboldt River).
This is not a criticism or objection - I'm asking because I'm looking to relocate to a similar setup in central Wyoming, and I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts. Every option is a trade-off...
As you know, my setup is primarily for surviving an economic collapse. I'd rate this location civilization collapse suitable at about 50%. I don't fear travel along 80. Californians will travel north, Utahans east to the Rockies. We may have some travel from Vegas, but that is minor. It is 400 miles with near zero water. Really, I only have to worry about locals. Which is problematic, and only preferable to most other places I could be. As it is, I'm counting on a drastic move out of the area during the economic collapse. No jobs and cold winters. That is how I'm rolling the dice. As for a location after it all goes to Hell-this area is one of the worst to be in, and survival will depend on getting mustangs and sheep, with raiding to outside areas. Living here like the Indians sees a population in the dozens, and they can't camp here year round.Delete
Thank you, that's good information. It aligns well with the setup I'm considering - a place close to the town (also on an interstate) for weathering the economic downturn but with a more remote "fallback" location some distance away, reachable on foot or bicycle (hat tip to you for helping me appreciate that mode of transportation). Like your B-POD, I'm expecting the remote location to eventually be discovered and vandalized so nearby caching of the important stuff will be part of the plan. But the area does have some sources of water and a climate that's cold enough to discourage the unprepared but not so severe that it is life-threatening in a grid-down situation. Not ideal but certainly BTN.Delete
Did you ever harvest any sagebrush seeds?Delete
Damn,my dumb ass self totally spaced it.Delete
8:35-did you actually find reasonably priced land in Wyoming? I didn't think they made such a thing. And sweet Baby Jesus, Thank You! I got through to somebody about biking! Now I've seen it all and can embrace death.Delete
Dang, I’m jealous of 8:35. All of my research has indicated that the only places in the continental US that aren’t being ruined by blue state migration are: Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakota’s. Two parcels is ideal, since this allows you to live near town while things are still reasonable, and move further out when they’re not. But I’ve already made my choice (Elko county) and suppose that I shall make the best of it. At least what I have is very rural.Delete
I'm jealous of those with Wyoming or Montana land, and then I remember Yellowstone. No, it won't blow in our lifespan. UNLESS I moved there. Current residents, you are welcome. Send donations.Delete