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Wednesday, January 15, 2020

quartermaster jim 2


QUARTERMASTER JIM 2
I hope that yesterday you took to heart the governments focus on logistics at the expense of your tactical considerations. So far, you've gotten “lucky” insofar as sometimes the two divergent concerns can coincide. The British upgrading the Lee-Enfield had nothing to do with the troops welfare. They just happened to get a better gun because the new one was faster and cheaper to manufacture, AND being twice as accurate was to the benefit of scarce ammunition supply. The troops in WWII didn't get the tactically improved M1 Carbine for any other reason than it was cheaper to produce and quick, so the military's valuable big weapons could be more effectively protected.
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Troops today “benefit” from the M-16 ( M4, whatever-all same, same, Number Ten Joe ) because the government needs troops to haul larger amounts of ammunition to replace the helicopter resupply they used to employ. The military doesn't care if semi-auto/automatic is better or not, they just cannot change until forced to ( just as they wouldn't change from slow loading single shot marksmen rifles when it benefited their logistics ). You do NOT have that luxury of time, because your troop loses due to equipment issues means YOU die.
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Whenever I discuss bolt actions compared to semi-auto, I always hear the same argument. I'll need semi-auto. I don't disagree with that. It is true. On a tactical level, firepower can save your life. It CAN. It probably won't as 99% of you have never seen combat and you will have no discipline on that trigger. It isn't your fault. Brain chemicals can only be overcome with experience. NOT willpower or any firm convictions to the contrary.
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Now, I could say that for most of you, in a firefight the odds are that more likely than not you just jerk the trigger in a panic and semi-auto helps you naught. But I also understand you feel you'll be in control and I cannot change your mind. You actually think each bullet will hit the enemy rather than trees or rocks. Okay, whatever, dude. Just pretend I don't care and wasn't trying to help. Instead, let's just play with math. How long is your ammunition going to last, dumping mags thirty rounds at a time? Today, ammunition is cheaper than it has been for a very long time, but a mag STILL costs $10 to load.
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How many times can you even afford to do that ( quantity over quality in ammunition is another article. That mag is full of Middlin ammo )? There are a LOT of other prepping supplies to procure. Can you afford the amount of ammunition you'll need on semi-ammo? SOME of you can, and good on you. Most of you cannot. This is NOT a question of need or want. It is a question of ability. Do you have the ability to deep stack the ammunition a semi-auto requires? No problem, you say, I don't need that much. I'll be cool as a cucumber under fire, and just avoid people.
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Wow! Delusional, much? In 1980 we only had 225 million population( I just picked this date as most of us were young adults and fully aware of our surroundings, plus the first wave of OtherColor replacement reproductions had yet to leave school ). Taking into account illegals, we now have a minimum of fifty percent more. That's why every place sucks anymore, even podunk villages. Too many people, everywhere. They are maggots on meat, locusts in the fields. Every single swinging jackass of that excess population WILL be gunning for you.
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The first wave of criminals will deplete your ammunition stockpiles ( despite Virginia, I think the biggest target of Team Blue will be ammunition. Expect many plant closures-”liability concerns”, copper shortages, taxes-and inflated prices and NO MORE AMMO supply ), then the Bugaloo, then warlords fighting for dominance after an ineffectual government retreat, THEN the die off. You have ammo for all that, AND for military actions post-apocalypse? You might say, no biggie, I'll die soon enough. To which I repeat, prepping isn't TO survive, it is in case you happen to survive despite overwhelming odds.
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Survival isn't a stockpiling challenge. It is a cultural challenge. Yes, I know this is about logistics over tactics. What I mean by this, logistics aside for a second, is that you need stuff. You cannot do without tools. What you need, besides JUST stuff, is a completely new attitude. A new cultural paradigm. No more tolerance for bullspit. No more pining for luxuries such as excess income, excess living arrangements, luxury transportation. No more living in a pre-death empire. Semi-auto guns are at heart a talisman of the Old Order, the dead culture of consumption.
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An unwillingness to make ANY sacrifice, be it to adapt a new set of tactics or live in less than perfect shelter or ever bicycle anywhere ( Spud gets a lifetime pass on that, sorry dudes. You get hit by a car and we'll talk ), to do without debt, to acknowledge fracking won't save the day. All these are desperate attempts to cling to a life that is no longer an option. An economy no longer functioning. You are no longer Roman imperial subjects, rather, post-Rome collapse serfs. And you refuse to understand that.
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Did you see the Afghans suffer at the hands of the Soviets, armed with Enfield's rather than AK's? Of course not. They used the tactics that the weapons demanded. They didn't insist on a weapon they could not feed with unrealistic tactics. That is all I'm stipulating with bolt actions over semi's. Your ability to resupply NOW, is not the same as the end of supply later. Things have been changing your whole life, towards the worse. They are getting worse-er, faster. By the time you need ammunition, you probably won't be able to get any more.
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Because I look at events as going Full Apocalyptic, I don't view conflict as tactically driven, but from a viewpoint of logistics. I know I have to choose the danger of being under gunned now, so as to always have enough firepower later, and long after that. I know the argument against that. You have to live now, or extra ammo won't matter later. But, again, those pesky brain chemicals that are biologically impossible to will away. Just as a female cannot “identify” as male, 'cause the bitch is a ho, not a bro, so neither can you pretend adrenaline doesn't matter. In a panic, semi-auto because spray and pray, the extra ammunition now being wasted to no purpose unless your enemy is old and noise will cause a heart attack.
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I keep trying to convince you of the above argument because I myself am convinced the math works with my conservation of ammunition rather than any liberal application. When I am evaluating my weaknesses, I don't look at slow loading weapons as a hindrance but rather a help. I'm actually nervous at this moment ( as I write-surely rectified by the time you read ), as I have yet to convert my last AR to a bolt action. I finally did it right and am waiting for a retaining pin replacement through the mail before I flip over the gas tube.
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The others were the old pin with LockTite added. A terrible Bubba Engineering decision. I'm worried if I have to use the rifle now, before conversion, I waste God awful amounts of ammunition and handicap my stockpiled ammo. Semi-auto scares me for that very reason. My viewpoint, cemented solid after years of research and argument, causes anxiety. If YOUR viewpoint is the polar opposite, I cannot change your mind. Such is life. We argue, seemingly for sport and amusement, to no logical end. You can only change a mind open to change. This is not a critical judgment but simple biological fact. If my arguments fall on deaf ears, at least do yourself a favor and change your mind about how much ammo is enough. Whatever your number is, it is probably too low.
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35 comments:

  1. Lord Bison, if you are so concerned about ammo availability in PA environment why are you bothering with 5.56 in either single shot or semi auto? $10 per mag!
    Why not .22 Mag or a bit down mkt go for .22 LR? I'm no ballistics guy but seems to me that .22 Mag makes for good shooting in 75% of USA landmass. Granted, no 600 yd shots but damn few hit that now with any consistency from open sights anyway. Seems you could buy many multiples of .22 Mag for same price as steel case 5.56.

    As for your quote:.."the government needs troops to haul larger amounts of ammunition to replace the helicopter resupply they used to employ.."
    Are you serious? The whole notion of "spray and pray" with 5.56 co-evolved in same time frame as Airmobile 'copter centered operations. There was this place called Vietnam, remember? Duh!
    Mel Gibson made an OK movie about that timeframe, "We were young and soliders once". Poodle shooters and Airmobile, Yee Haw!
    Whole notion was to have complete air superiority so as to enable quick 'copter infil/exfil and constant resupply.
    That paradigm still is centerpiece of US Army doctrine.

    Today troopers aren't carrying heavy sustainment loads of 5.56...they are carrying loads of body armor and batteries for all the damn gizmos on their helmets, rifles and comms etc. Pitiful how "Rangers" are commonly rucking 120 lb loads now in the rockpile known as Afghanistan. How stupid. So much for fast moving, light infantry.
    Ammo, food, water come from 'copters.

    Pentagon knows and approves doctrine of infantry to "find/flush" enemy then use artillery or CAS to destroy. Trigger pulling grunts don't kill anywhere near the number killed by Arty or CAS. It is by design.
    We kinda saw this in Eastern Syrian city of Raqqa with ISIS. Kurds were used to spot and flush ISIS into Raqqa while 'copter lifted Arty and CAS chewed them up into meat paste and turned town into dust.

    I think the notion of IEDs in future will be the paradigm against hostiles, not spray/pray.

    As for your claim about Sovs in Afghanistan..."Did you see the Afghans suffer at the hands of the Soviets, armed with Enfield's rather than AK's? Of course not."
    HOLY SHIT! Could you be more wrong?

    Here's deaths during Sov expedition per Wiki.

    Mujahideen:
    75,000–90,000 killed, 75,000+ wounded (tentative estimate)

    Civilians (Afghan):
    850,000–2,000,000 killed.

    Around 3 million Afghans wounded (mostly civilians).

    I would say the Afghanis got a serious beat down with their old Enfields. But then when you have world's highest rate of population growth you can afford to lose millions, I guess.

    I'll close with your words..."We argue, seemingly for sport and amusement, to no logical end. You can only change a mind open to change."

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    1. The amount of helicopters available today is no where close to Vietnam. And no, the Afghans didn't suffer TACTICALLY. You are taking babies killed from boobytrapping toys and inserting it into the argument about how the combatants were armed.

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    2. As for the ammo first mentioned, I don't arm myself with just one weapon. The AR is for the initial amount of bodies as targets. The battle rifle for longer term low intensity combat and the rimfires for after that, a "forever gun"

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    3. Just a reminder. The Soviets lost. The Current mob in Afghanistan is going to lose as well. Pray that Turkey or Russia don't give the Afghani Partisans MANPADS. Heck, if I were Iran I'd give those weapons to the Mexican Cartels as a "Haven't you got better things to do at home than be here interfering in our nation?"

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    4. The US has no sense of humor, and won't allow others to do to us as we do to them. Disproportional response, until we can't. Perhaps that is what motivates Iran right now.

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    5. Anon 1:40. "The Soviets lost"?
      Meh...they killed millions and went home. I don't recall Afghans crossing the Oxus River en route to Moscow, chasing the Sovs down and slitting throats.
      It simply came down to old adage, "the game isn't worth the candle". Now the Russians drive Mercedes and vacation in Orlando.

      Perhaps the Sovs, like US, just stumbled into a f-fest because one Moscow power clique bullied/outfoxed other cliques. We ain't talking logic here.

      The Afghans, espec Pashtuns, will return to life of Pashtunwali and compose yet another book of story and song about their glory in the face of invaders.
      Between taking blows from Sovs & US the Pashtun will reinforce their cultural identity for another 200 years. All the while the population is twice what it was in '79.
      Yep, they live in mud houses and diddle bashi boys but they are still at home.

      War is a curious thing.

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    6. I'd say the Soviets lost just as we lost Vietnam. It was the loss of a colonial power that lead to its later demise. Fast, for the Soviets and slower for us. Yes, you could point to Britain as surviving losing a colony ( or France ), but I think most nations lose colonial control after a military defeat. The Dutch held onto Indonesia for a long time, but had no real power to hold it. We were still able to bully Saudi Arabia after Vietnam, but have been in economic decline ever since. And money ultimately backs military power ( hint, hint, China surpassed us in 2014 economically ). I guess what my point is, once an empire loses a colony, the end is a lot closer and guaranteed.

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    7. Lord Bison, you're making a mountain out of molehill. For the Sovs, Afghanistan was a lark of an expedition, an equipment test range. It was no war of national survival. It was like Mussolini's invasion of Ethiopia.
      The geriatric Politburo bigshots ended up with bruised egos and egg on face. Boo hoo!

      FYI...China population of 1.3 billion includes 900MM wretchedly poor people burning dung and rice straw in order to cook a pot of rice (plus a field rat on Saturday for a treat). Spare me the notion of China surpassing US economically.

      Poor, pissed off peasants plastered in poo soot scare the bejesus out of Beijing politicos. Add in the sex ratio dilemma due to previous one child policy.
      The Chinesse have 2500 years of peasant uprisings and megaton scale massacres. Beijing should be scared.

      Quick! Mr. Beijing politico man...buy a "bolt hole" houses in Vancouver, San Francisco or Melbourne. Oh right, they're already doing just that.

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    8. That's the plan for Afghans, Arabs, etc in general: Have tons of kids. That's what Israel is up against (not saying Israel is a good guy or a bad guy here) they're having kids at just a bit over replacement I think, while their foes are having as many kids as they can.

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    9. The only reason the Heebs are even at above replacement level is that one offshoot religious sect are breeding like crazy, on welfare and exempt from the draft. Otherwise the country would have even lower rates. The US is seeing falling rates, even at one quarter Latino. It costs too much to pop out a kid, unless you are just now hopping the border. Demographics is destiny.

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    10. Anon()()- Purchase Power Parity sees China at $27 trillion, the US at $22. It is just math. As far as peasants, we have plenty of our own, 13% earning under $7k a year. 40% earning under $15k a year. Unless you have no debt, the cost of living is too high for that low of a wage. At least the Chinese peasants can feed themselves. As far as Russia, I think it is a very big deal if an imperial power loses a war. Gives the other colonized poor ideas they too can be free. We should see the effects of that on ourselves, in our lifetime.

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  2. "...in a firefight the odds are that more likely than not you just jerk the trigger in a panic and semi-auto helps you naught."
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    What do you suppose the distance is between opponents in a small arms firefight? What is the environment like?

    I'll wager the distance of most firefights and their environments are far closer, and denser, than you may think. When people are 100 to 300 feet away and shooting at you what do you want, a gun that can overwhelm them with firepower, or a gun that encourages them to advance on you?

    For some reason that is beyond my grasp you keep throwing this notion out there that at the very instant you need extreme firepower is also the exact same time you shouldn't have it. And your sole reason for saying this over and over? Something about wasting ammo. Seriously? Do you think the people that are getting ready to eat your liver with a fine chianti care if you are wasting ammo? My bet is that when they realize that hail of shrapnel is heading their way at lightspeed they are going to go the other way, even faster.

    Now, if you're going to shoot at unidentified dots on the horizon across the desert and have no fear of attracting attention then by all means, go prone, take all day seating the bullet properly, and pop that skull and then do it again, and again. Us poodle shooters with guns that are only accurate out to 600 yards will sit back and lavish you with praise, and we'll even come down to the jail and chew the fat with you on visiting day for killing those innocent civilian dots.

    A gun is a tool, Jim, and never in my life have I heard a master carpenter tell an apprentice to use a bigger hammer cause the smaller one will make him waste nails. I don't mean to slam you here but you should really educate yourself on this stuff. Stop wasting time on the youtube silly asses that fuel your distaste for anyone that has more than you and pay attention to people that actually know what they are talking about. You're the only person I have ever read anywhere that prefers a single shot WWII gun over a modern and efficient race gun to deal with a "firefight".

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    1. Again, it is logistics. You think I don't agree with you on the tactics, but I do. It is just that logistics matter more. That carpenter can go buy more nails. Your ammo is never resupplied, PA. Also, my contention is that having only one shot makes you a better shooter. Have you read my book on it? Apocalypse Gun Porn, in BBBno2. Free at the web page. Argued in more detail than I use in these articles. Unless you are just a casual reader. And I've read of the studies on combat engagement distances. And been trained to some degree by Uncle Sugar. Rear echelon security was just light weapons infantry.

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  3. buy an adams arms piston upper, it has 3 settings, one is normal, two for a supressor, three turns it basically into a bolt action. plus, it's piston so it runs cooler & cleaner....

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    1. Price compared to a regular upper from Palmetto?

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  4. Use the Mexican cartel vs policia-marina shoot outs and ground level conflict events as a template for your A.O. Yes Nancy, all lower 48 states of CONUS will be contested turf just like that, along with open season no bag limit sectors.

    It WILL certainly become an arms race and with brutal engagements for the power. Going to need some bannana mag guns, and yes full auto and crew served belt guns will be used. Sure, it burns ammo, so. If usa starts imploding and feeding on it's self, there will be rat lines of everything (guns ammo ordnance comms. Etc) funneled in, from chicoms, russians, off shore CIA cadres etc, just like what occurs everywhere else right now.

    The reference of IEDs becoming a factor here, it is surprising things here are tame and behind the global standards of mayhem. Drones of the consumer-hobby variants will be weaponized. Pay attention to the skyline around your A.O. and shut up with the talking so as to listen for that big sting coming at you.

    Stay very frosty.

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    1. Beware outside "help". That ammo will be sold VERY dear. The question becomes, also, do they WANT to help? Are they better off stepping back and letting us do all the heavy lifting dismantling the empire? Also, your group may not be selected for help, anyway.

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    2. They will intervene any chance they get, even if to keep chaos going so as to prevent 'Merica from going full tasmanian devil cartoon version of rising up from things like hitler did with germany. Only take a fellow with a gift of gab, and fervent ideology to get things carried away, then the 'Merica becomes another worse than now threat to any direction. Resources you know.

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    3. My personal opinion, with nothing to back it up other than speculation, is that when the US starts imploding, China and Russia will just sit back, not lift a finger, and enjoy the show. No accelerant, in the form of foreign military aid will be needed as we 99% die off without them spending a single yuan/ruble. Then they can come in, be #1 (China) and #2 (Russia) over the world, round up the US survivors, and use them for forced resource extraction, primarily in agricultural activities (China is having problems feeding it's population currently). China is one of the oldest nations in the world, and will likely still be there after our country falls and is renamed something else. They won't waste resources accelerating our infighting since we'll be efficient enough doing it ourselves. If the Chinese do show up to "help", RUN AWAY. They intend to use you as a slave to reimburse them for their assistance. The Chinese have a horrible human rights record (ALL commies do as they're the number one murderers as far as body counts go, for all history).
      Romans 14:11

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    4. 3:13-Germany has an embedded culture of recovery. Does America? I contend we have always seen an upward progression materially. With no practice on real recovery. The 30 Years War was exponentially worse than the Soviet Invasion, as just one example. Our pathetic recessions and Gott Damn Yankee occupations probably don't hold a candle ( not to downplay individual suffering-I am speaking system wide )
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      Romans-I'm leaning towards your view, although I think Peak Oil will not treat overseas shipping kindly enough for them to rely on our food. It COULD happen, if our fall ( and the butt buddy allies of NATO following ) frees up enough oil that it can be husbanded far longer. I just think it questionable.

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  5. $525 at western sport.com, not counting shipping....

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  6. and you don't have to modify it...

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    1. Sorry, but that price is too high to pay for me, for a gun whose user can't make up their mind if they want to semi or bolt. To each his own of course. Thanks for the details.

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    2. Jim,

      This will help ya increase your speed during boltie operations.

      https://palmettostatearmory.com/devil-dog-hard-charger-tactical-ddchc003.html

      You should have bought this upper to start with, if ya wanted to go all boltie on us. Then we would not have to point out the errors of your ways.🤯

      Maybe started with this instead. 😜

      https://palmettostatearmory.com/new-frontier-armory-c-4-side-charging-upper-ar-15-upper-receiver-c4-nrsc.html

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    3. The first one, $150 and it doesn't work all that well? Please! The second one has been out of stock, it looks like almost a year. Probably out of business.

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  7. When the offending comrades see a buddys head explode every 10 seconds I would bet their worldview would change even more that if you would spray and pray 200 rounds a minute till the box was all shot up . Just my theory but I'm sticking to it .

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    1. Most people are more afraid of a knife wound than a gun. Probably would risk a sniper before a guy charging with a bayonet. Screw with their heads, and cyclic rate is not very important. Just as a sniper is feared more than artillery. Defeat them in their own head.

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    2. Re: Bayonets https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9571522/Soldier-who-led-Afghanistan-bayonet-charge-into-hail-of-bullets-honoured.html

      Re: Snipers (marksman) Anonymous Conservative noted that Simo Häyhä in modern time with drones and FLIR would not have lasted as long as he did. Indeed, Snipers in the modern era have yet had to deal with fighting a peer enemy. Afghani and Iraqi partisans don't have all the cool toys Ruskies / Chinese (they only come up to your knees) have.

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    3. As in, "to go on this ride you must be this tall"?

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  8. Here is another consideration not often considered. When the SHTF, and we are talking gunfights, how many firefights can you survive. Luck,skill and equipment being equal, lets say 50/50 odds you win uninjured. 2nd fight since you survived the first so lets say 25% or half of 2 contacts. Surviving 3 contacts the odds of always winning goes down. I hope your are following here. 10 firefights with equal opponents things are getting slim. Not to mention the sniper attack while picking tomatoes or what ever. Granted if you are in a hardened shelter with zombies coming after you you could expend lot of ammo but will you survive enough confrontations to use 1000 rounds? I doubt it.The folks coming for you, many will be desperate and many will have skills and equipment better than you. I am prepared to be able to equip about a squad with semis and ammo, not armor, but again, when survivors bring back a team how long will you survive. I used to think the more ammo the better but i no longer think 20K of battle ammo is needed. If i was a lone wolf I'd think 1-2k of battle ammo and 500-1000 for defensive pistol and enough hunting ammo for life if there is anything to hunt.

    Yes a semi for high threat times to improve your odds of lasting till things settle down, but don't wipe out your budget cause you think you need 5k rounds for your AR unless you have several for buddies. I'm still a huge fan of the lowly 22. In a semi like the 10-22 with 25 round mags you can protect yourself at closer ranges, or a pump shotty with buckshot. Guns are paramount but there is so much more that is needs after you get the basics.

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    1. How many military campaigns were lost because the worst case scenario was not accounted for? As Napoleon or Hitler, for starters. You ALWAYS plan for Full Retard. Like surviving way past what was probably. Plus, you are completely discounting the needs of any descendants. You don't think I'm delusional enough to think I'm surviving long enough to use all my food or ammo, do you? It is for IF I survive. Also, even a simple exercise as playing a game of paintball will highlight how quick you burn through ammo. Pick the highest cost field. Coming in to buy the next hundred ball, and getting anally raped on the cost, should leave a lasting impression. Might even turn you away from semi.

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    2. Every time you drive your vehicle there is a 50/50 chance you'll be in an accident. If you drive your vehicle a 2nd time in any given day your chance of having an accident is still 50/50. It isn't a 52 card deck with 2 people player "high card draw", where the odds get tougher with each draw. You get a new deck each time, thus, your chances are always 50/50. With each firefight there is a 50/50 chance you'll be killed.

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  9. This is one of those threads in which you make your semi-auto point crystal clear, but you’re always fought on it in the comments. It’s quite simple really. If you’re rich, and can afford to sling plenty of lead down range, spray and prey style in the post apocalypse, then by all means, go out and drop the $20k to $40k, or whatever it will cost to enable you do so. But the basis of this site, is clearly founded in opposite principles, of the folks that can afford to do this sort of thing. Also, second what Nightshift says. What was the survival rate of a combat vet in Vietnam? I believe that it was right around 50%. But remember, they had air support and various other resupply and back up. You won’t. Here’s my advice. Watch the TV series Gunsmoke for a few episodes, and do the exact opposite of everything that Matt Dillon does, and you might actually survive a few minutes longer into the apocalypse :D I don’t know if most people are familiar or not, but old west gunfighters never fought like that, and if they did, their careers would have been even shorter lived then they already were.

    On the .22 mag. Take the Nike motto, and reverse it. Just don’t do it. Why pay 5 times more than a box of .22lr, for a cartridge that offers 25% more performance, and can’t be reloaded? (Pssst. I’m going let you in on a little secret. Both a box of 50 .22mag, and a box of 20 .223 cost $10. Yes, you only get 20 in the box of .223. But it’s reloadable, and offers 5 times the performance of a .22 mag)

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    1. It has nothing to do with being rich. It has everything to do with understanding a threat and having a solution to it. I'm pretty certain that any sane person will continue to shoot at an attacking enemy for as long as their ammo holds out, regardless of the firearm they are using. When you run out, you die.

      However, if you are able to apply massive firepower right from the start to can change the dynamic of the whole thing so that the attackers must assess their losses and determine if their goal is worth achieving. 1 bolt gun delivering a shot every 3 seconds and reloads every 30 seconds will sound like 1 person with little threat but 1 semi delivering a round every second and 5 second reloads can sound like a squad with huge threat. IOW, anything a bolt can do a semi can do better. Now, if you do like what Jim predicts, turn instantly into a whining sissy with barely workable gross motor skills that yes, you need to just roll up in the fetal position and accept your fate. Win smart or die dumb, your choice. Animals live in the here and now with no concept of a future but humans can make predictions in keeping with an idea of the future and plan accordingly. I plan to win and that plan does NOT start with firearms but rather location. My overall goal is to not shoot at another person or be shot at by one.

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    2. Well, we certainly can agree on the last sentence. :)

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