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Location
I hate bug out
locations. Not as an emergency location should your retreat be
overrun, but rather your retreat itself being a bug out location.
Just getting there is problematic, your things will not be safe
there, and generally the concept entails far greater cost than is
prudent. I'm also not fond of small towns as a retreat location. A
town of only fifty still sees your supplies stolen and you tortured
and dead ( this will hold true regardless of the number of FLIR
mounted semi-auto's you own ).
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Let's start out by
saying that a homestead is not a retreat, not if you are making
payments to the bank for it. The Great Depression saw plenty of farm
foreclosures, and then all the food production in the world didn't
help those farmers. They joined the soup lines in the city. I hear
folks claiming that homesteads won't be foreclosed as fast this time,
due to the volume. This may or may not be true. The bulk of the
“jingle-mailers” were never taken to court to collect on
remainder owed, as some states allow, and many got free rent for up
to a year after stopping payment.
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Yet please keep in mind
that all the banks did, rather than get stuck with too many vacant
houses that cost them money, was to bide their time until all the
mortgage holders were out of the homes, then turned most of the real
estate into rentals rather than purchases. Rent has gone up two to
three times 2008 levels, in any market with available jobs. When my
daughter was born, our apartment was $500, utilities included ( this
was in a higher end market, at least for wage earners ). Now she is
paying, in her mid-twenties, $2,000 a month PLUS utilities. And most
folks gross wages have dropped.
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So, how badly did the
banks really make out, after all that “free” rent ( the banks
create credit, they don't use their own money to give mortgage loans
) and after being unable to cope with the volume of defaults? The
bankers OWN this country. Not your little Orange butt buddy, not
Beelzebub's daughter Hilary ( one hopes the names of babies will
forevermore never include “Hilary”, as was done to “Adolf” ).
Corporations do not run America. They borrow from the bankers to
survive, as does the government.
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If you think you are
going to outwit the bankers, I have bad news for you. They might be
immoral and lazy, but they have almost every one of us locked down.
We jump through THEIR hoops, and any loophole is soon identified and
closed by Rothschild's butt buddy government lackeys. Why do you
think you are not allowed to collect rain water in one state, or
cannot lack electricity for raising your children in another? In the
city, you are milked. That is why you can't sell raw milk. That
doesn't pay enough into the system.
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The banks are your
mortal enemy ( not that you can escape the minion SWAT teams, but
they work for the banks ). You must do everything you can to avoid
them, and number one on that list is not having a shelter over your
head that the humpers own. And that includes minimizing the property
taxes on anything you own outright. Look, we all know the system is
going to fall. The pricks are even more dependent on oil that we
are. Production is the only thing keeping hyperinflation in check.
But we still have to survive until the bastards are hanging from the
lampposts.
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Not all debt is
terrible, even though that is one of my own personal guideposts.
Just realize that debt can be a tool used AGAINST you, and it
probably will be sooner rather than later. Your boss uses debt
against you, reducing wages and bennies, hours and sanity, because
you dare not lose your job. Your wife uses debt against you, after
she insisted on the most house you could afford to mortgage, because
there is no way you can then leave her after she cheats on you with
the pool boy. Your buddies even use debt against you, using the
credit card to max out their semi-auto's purchases, making you feel
like less of a Tactical Ninja.
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Now, tell me why the
bankers wouldn't use debt against you? Of course, the ONE good thing
about a homestead is that at least you are living there. NOT living
at your retreat is a really bad idea. The only exception would be if
the structure was concrete and you had replacement doors and windows
cached ( along with every single supply ). And even then, I'd worry
a bit about crackhead destruction. Those are scum of the universe,
and a recent phenomenon you are silly to ignore. They even wait for
you to visit town, to strike, even if you live there.
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On that note, how about
a public service announcement? Crackheads are your human
cockroaches. They root through even your garbage. But there are
also going to be sharks, apex predators. They are going to be doing
the home invasion thing. Don't help them out with beacons such as a
new car, shiny off grid home, expensive fencing, etc. Stay armed,
even at home. That doesn't mean a crotch holster color coordinated
to your robe, but firearms near your reach at all times. And, dogs.
Filthy animals, but useful.
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Now, I know you have to
work. You can't just move out to the boonies. A huge difference
between now and when most survivalist relocation advice was written
is that work is a whole lot more complicated now. Skill isn't even
the problem, or education. Jobs themselves are shrinking as the
population explodes. There is also a political component involved.
Here is the issue. It isn't about corporate unprofitable practices,
or Diversity Hire so much as it is about shrinking net energy. That
forms all the other issues.
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Without surplus energy,
there cannot be consumption, without consumption there cannot be
jobs. The suits in the corporations are eating the seed corn to
continue with their quarterly bonuses. The workers fight among
themselves to see who can win a job, using government force. You
must NOT make relocation plans that are future dependent on jobs.
You need a job NOW. But you must assume that will NOT last long. So
you need a very short mortgage, if one at all and you cannot be
completely dependent on a motor vehicle.
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Nailing it Jim, you are articulating the exact issues that redoubters and chicken coop hobby wannabees are not seeing through those rose colored designer framed glasses.
ReplyDeleteThere is *not* going to be a hidden valley of homesteads that goes unscathed and occupants are merely inconvenienced. Your dwelling-hermitage-etc is only weather shelter, semi low level security for your things, and not much else. Extending out the "time" (no mortgage, persevere through area negative issues that push people out) you can remain there is the only option for lone wolf Minions or cheesy tribe groupings that are not really much of a force to hold ground, much less be on time for anything. I like watching foreign t.v. refugees that have loading households and people up and caravan evacuating down to a national cultural pastime. Dig in fortifications if that settles upset tummy nerves, but have E&E egress routes, caches, secondary real deal wolverine b.o.l. established as equal primacy plans.
Fuel cans and road flares prepositioning INSIDE your squat is for torching it all if overrun by enemies or to cover an 'attempt' at escape.
The better homes and gardens nesting days are quite done, stick a fork in it, Plan accordingly.
Build BOL's as if they were a buried tent, just big enough to sleep and emergency cook, and most labor and expense is removed
Delete"That is why you can't sell raw milk. That doesn't pay enough into the system."
ReplyDeleteOh, FFS Jim that's just mental midgitry.
Public sale of raw milk halted because public health was endangered. Dead babies stacked like cordwood from drinking bacterial laden raw milk. Was Messr. Pasteuer just a banker stooge?
Some serious medieval backasswards thinking going on there bro.
What next? A factoid(?) about Christian baby blood mixed in the Passover matzo?
How about this, let's not disinfect public water supplies; after all don't want to enrich those bankers controlling chlorine supplies. Piffle.
To remind minions again (ugh!) sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Amazing how the human race survived through all those centuries drinking milk, prior to Pasteuer. You are falling for the hype the empires use to color the colonies as barbarian masses, worthy of being exploited.
DeleteYou're both half right. Milk today is nothing like milk in the 18th century. Same with all the streams and ponds scattered across the fruited plain. Lewis and Clark, for example, didn't carry Sawyer filters, and that group used a LOT of water. I put a dab of red capped Prairie Farms in my daily muds and I figure the temperature kills a lost of the nastiness. Otherwise I almost never touch the stuff.
Delete“If you think you are going to outwit the bankers, I have bad news for you.”
ReplyDeleteWell, you can, but you have to be willing to live like John Muir, or Jeremiah Johnson. I think that I am one of the few that could pull it off, but I’m also considered to be a weird person, by civilized society. Also, you will be living as a monk, because you are not going to find a woman that will live like that (Jim is the only person that I know of that has). This means that if you are a younger fellow, raging hormones intact, that you will not likely be able to pull it off. As with the early sailors, gone on long voyages, you could substitute this need on some level with one of those new fangled, high end sex dolls (Yeah, I know, it’s weird, “creepy” like having sex with a corpse, etc and so on. Just remember that women have been given a free pass by the same folks saying these same things, to insert all manners of foreign objects up their cooters :D )
The key is comfort. Whatever else you do, you must be sheltered from the extremes of both hot and cold. To me, there is only one option, and that is earth sheltered. A lot of work up front, but totally worth it in the long run.
If you ain't earth sheltered, you ain't ready for survival.
DeleteAnderson shelter
DeleteSandbags and logs
Delete“Sandbags and logs”
Delete9:32 here Jim. The thought occurred to me that if you could get a hold of some cement sacks that went bad (hardened up) you could stack those similar to earth bags, to form a nice dugout. I know that over the years, we’ve thrown so many of those out, both where I used to work, and at home, so maybe put an ad in the paper, and try and get them for free, or hit up the local home improvement centers. You will still want to place the barbed wire between the courses, same as with the earth bags, and also cover the outer sides with plastic sheeting to prevent water from seeping through the walls. Even if you have to pay for the earth bags, the cost should be reasonable, if you’re forming a smaller dugout. But the bags have to contain a mixture that will harden up over time. Figure a minimum size of at least big enough for yourself, and whoever else you might need to shelter, and a port-potti (so that you don’t have to leave the shelter in the middle of the night when it’s 10 °F) A nice size to shoot for though, would be around 8’x8’.
I recall someone else mentioning those Anderson shelters, and they’re cool enough for sure. But I’ve priced that corrugated pipe before, and it’s expensive, at least where I live.
A thought on hardened cement bags. I would think it would be like placing a dry rock wall. If not fit perfectly, timber! You would have to use mortar, right? I can't image you would avoid wobble.
DeleteI’ve never done an earth bag shelter Jim, but the only difference between them and the hardened concrete bags, would be that the earth bags would initially be soft, when placed. After being placed, they are then tamped down. Over time, they harden, due to a certain percentage of clay (and possibly something else that I can’t think of at the moment?) There is no mortar involved. You stack them as you would bricks, or building blocks (Layered so that they lock each other in). The barbed wire is then placed between each course, to prevent any slippage.
DeleteYou might actually be onto something with regards to the hardened concrete bags, since they are non-flexible. I suppose it’s better to err on the side of caution, since you’ve raised this concern, and stick with a proven method, which would be the earth bags.
Right, my concern is the lack of softness to settle and form.
DeleteI have (4) 90 lb hard bags along the outside south wall of my workshop you're welcome to!
DeleteThe bags are inexpensive, maybe 7-8 bux a piece. Lay a row down, spray em with the hose, stack another row staggering the seams, spray em down. Do 4 rows then quit for a week and let em set up. If you wanted, before they set up, pound 3/4" rebar down through them, into the ground to anchor them in place. When laying the bags, flatten them out, smooth them out so as to better accept the next row. You'll end up with about 16" wide solid concrete walls. Get more bags and mix with granular styro foam and make stucco for the inside and outside. This could be done little by little as money was made available.
That actually sounds like a doable plan GS, thanks. If you happened to come across some that are already hard, you can use a concrete bit to drill through them, for the rebar. The sacks are wide, especially the 90lb ones, so I think they would be stable.
DeleteOur BO site is really half ass. We outright own a 2 1/2 acre pasture with a pair of cows and a donkey. On that property is a 20' x 20' hay barn - shelter. The hay bales can be reconfigured to become a small hut in the winter. Plastic sheeting to make it more water / windo proof. There is a meager fire wood supply on the property, provided by the trees already growing there. There is a water pipe (as long as its pumping) and a nearby canal for even more water.
ReplyDeleteAbout as basic as a Kalahari desert bush home - but its something owned free and clear and can be defended (the entire border can be seen from that barn. And its close enough to visit EVERYDAY as we feed and water the animals daily. About 12 miles away from our present home.
Just as a smart ass is better than a dumb ass, half ass is better than no ass.
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ReplyDeleteforeclosure timing
We acquired foreclosure properties by the dozens.
The bankers rarely enforce eviction sooner than twenty-four (24) months.
After a judge says 'outta there', we had another several months before the sheriff shows up.
Here is the fact of the hint Bison is hinting at:
It's all a scam.
The bankers don't care.
The judges don't care.
Law Enforcement Officials really don't care.
Heck, we acquired properties with mortgages held by former owners or private lenders, and they still took a couple years to evict.
Why?
They sold the property because they didn't want it.
They delayed foreclosure because they didn't want it back.
Your experience may be different.
We may be more hard-core about enforcing our boundaries.
At least, compared to that millennial bunch.
What a bunch of wusses.
A mortgage is still an asset, to a banker. To maintain or evict alters the balance sheet. So the banker doesn't care. The judge probably is also screwed by bankers, and has little motivation to care. LEO's have actual peace officer crap to do.
Delete"...work is a whole lot more complicated now."
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No.
It is simpler now. Because the future is a little more clearer now. You KNOW collapse is going to occur, you just don't know when, and you suspect it will be soon.
So, how are you going to keep yourself "employed" after the crash? Have any of you thought this stuff through? I believe most "employed" people are probably incapable of figuring out, in advance, what life will be like if "jobs" are no longer available. IOW, taking charge of their life and doing what it takes to survive no matter what. When you go down this road you start to understand that it's not all about paying your income taxes or being loyal to your boss or company or any of the related silly illusion. I remember my brother the lifelong employee coming over to my place about 10 years ago and telling me that he had to buy the latest and greatest smartphone cause his boss told him is old clamshell is not adequate. I asked him if he will get more pay from having the smartphone and he said no. I glared at him and said, "You have no nuts at all do you?" He got pissed and left.
One of these days almost nobody is going to be an employee and everybody will be self employed whether they are making any income or not. Because they are vast realms of predators out there just waiting to swoop down on the ignorant and newly self employed people that are negligent so if you wait til the last minute to become self employed you are purposely increasing your odds of being victimized. Yes, they really do believe they own the efforts of your toil and as a life long "employee" you have been sanctioning their belief. They don't like it when employees suddenly get to thinking that they don't have to follow the rules and that they get to keep all their earnings like the selfish antiamericans they are. They will cut you know slack. It's always better to learn a skill BEFORE you need it and almost impossible to learn it after you need it.
I've been self employed since 1986 and will NEVER put all of my financial eggs in one basket and hand it to a shitstain to carry for me. No more so than putting a gun to my head.
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ReplyDeleteDamn! Congrats.
DeleteSeconded on the neighborhood snoops and retired folks and widows.
DeleteBefore acquiring a property, we look around at which drapes are slightly open.
I call them our 'free CIA', sitting by the front window while noticing everybody and everything.
We always give them lots of extra loving at holidays, and for no particular reason.
Heck, we hear we are friendlier than their families.
Such a good feeling.
Families 'eat bovine waste material'.
I have it on good authority.
Families will become much better behaved, once it is forced back onto them economically. See what free choice has wrought, culturally?
DeleteAs mentioned, go Hull deep in your diggings, or prepared positions. I monitored "Texas in Donbass" posts, etc and the small arms alone, much less flailing mortars and arty fragged most of the body counts. Nasty. Defcon 1 to 3 the Minionites can brush off like fallout. But go Spicey Times defcon 4 or goody! Defcon 5: NOPE, crying times. Just go extra on all measurements and calculations.
ReplyDeleteStay Frostier than the others.
DefCon 4...one of the best PA movies out there, for atmosphere. Sure, low budget, but really captures the doom and gloom
DeleteHave you watched "a boy and his dog"? 1975 PA movie. Stars a young don johnson. Hilarious ending.
ReplyDeleteThe great thing about it is you can watch it over and over, even knowing the twist at the end. Which is classic.
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