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Tuesday, August 23, 2016

no stinking gun control


NO STINKING GUN CONTROL

As survivalists, we have to worry about a LOT of things.  Once you start worrying about something, you do one of two things.  One, you select an “expert” who tells you what to do.  Inevitably, he is just one another in a long line of Yuppie Scum Guru’s and so he gives you one problem to worry about-making oodles and gobs of money.  And that is barely even a problem with you, as you were worrying about that your whole life.  Money for college, money to prove to prospective mates you have money by buying a car with a mortgage equivalent payment, money to keep bribing your spouse not to leave you and taking all your money, money to buy the kids love, and money to fix all the health problems money causes.  You got the Mo Money deal all figured out.  The other course of action you can take is to figure out how to do things without money, or at least a whole lot less of it.  That is where I come in, I hope.  I’m living on the same amount of money I was earning thirty years ago.  Not the same money adjusted for inflation, just the same actual number.  You are welcome.

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One thing you shouldn’t have to worry about is gun control.  The standard advice has been to buy a gun with a private sale so there is no paperwork, build your own gun with a 80% lower receiver or to buy an older gun that isn’t subject to paperwork ( prior to 1896 I believe, but don’t quote me on that ).  The problem with all of them is they cost a lot of money.  Not oodles and gobs of money, but enough money if the stuff is hard to come by like if you are seeing your income decrease like most of us are ( if for no other reason than you keep spending more on medical insurance.  I could not believe what my Old Lady is paying.  $300 a month, with a deductible of SIXTEEN GRAND!!!!  It costs that much so soon for simple catastrophic coverage!?!? I agree with the deductible, but certainly not with the monthly payment part ).  After all, gun control insurance is NOT the same thing as Collapse Arsenal Insurance.  We spend quite enough on the basic arsenal, so I for one look at a spare gun for gun control as a lower priority spending item. 

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At one time I had both a rifle and a pistol off the books, but I Dumb-Assed one and had the other stolen.  I think I told you about the pistol recently, the ex’s daughter stole it.  Surely just out of spite as she also stole several hundred dollars worth of wool blankets and sweaters ( and she lives in a apartment that includes heat in the rent ).  The rifle was an exercise in stupidity.  I had a bolt action hunting rifle offered to me for a mere $100 and bought it, then stressed about the odd caliber for a time ( I was very cash poor at the time and while still buying 303 in war surplus, the hunting ammo would have been full retail for an oddball type ).  I then gave it away to a buddy that helped me move from Carson to Elko.  What NEVER occurred to me the whole time was that this was actually an off the books firearm.  I was so focused on the addition of a caliber to my arsenal I completely spaced that aspect of it.  Unbelievable, right?  I cannot to this day ten years later believe I did such a bonehead thing.  So, needless to say, I am in no hurry to waste any more of my limited funds on buying a private sale firearm.  I did look in the classified just the other day and saw a 357 for only $200, and I was tempted.  But one must remain strong in conviction in the face of financial collapse.  The money will be much better spent on additional insulation for the B-POD.

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Those old timey manufactured firearms are certainly NOT cheap anymore.  Not like they used to be when they couldn’t give them away.  Then you have to worry about what kind of ammunition to use in them, getting spare parts, and the like.  I’m not tempted at all by this strategy.  The eighty percent lower receivers are not a bad way to do things.  You can get an AK, although finding the parts kits seem to be problematic anymore.  They even have a 1911, but I haven’t priced them.  The most popular and least PITA is the AR-15.  But we are still talking $500 here.  And with the old guns and the 80%’ers we run into another issues besides the cost.  Even if you don’t fill out an official gun purchase form, there is still a record of your purchase.  With the NSA recording everything, you might want to just assume they know you bought an Off The Books firearm.

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So, to me, that leaves the most obvious, simple and cheap solution to prepare for gun control.  The pipe shotgun.  You can get the original article by Kurt Saxon, “The Four Winds Shotgun”.  Do a search under that title, but add “PDF” to it.  I got mine at Survival Library Dot Com ( which in itself seems a real sweet resource ).  It’s basically two pieces of pipe, one with a screw on cap and a dowel with a blunted nail in it.  Cheap.  Simple.  Buy the parts prior and of course the ammunition.  You can legally build it, which might even be preferable to leaving threaded pipe around the jack booted thugs can claim is for bomb making, but you want to hide both the parts and especially the ammunition.  This is your gun control insurance.

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Now, while I was You-Tubing on this subject ( which wasn’t too helpful, mostly being scenes at the firing range ) I ran across guys building improvised guns out of a flare gun.  No, you don’t want to use a regular shotgun shell in a flimsy plastic 12 gauge pistol.  What they did was take a smaller metal piece of pipe containing a 410 shell then wrapped duct tape around it until it jammed into the breech of the flare gun.  When fired, the metal insert was sufficient to contain the pressure of the smaller shotgun gauge.  I like this idea, both because of the reduced recoil of the 410 verses the 12, and the fact you could aim it much better than from a Slam-Bang and only need one hand.  The problem was, you can’t find a flare gun under $60 or so.  Well, not that I could find ( I only checked about five online stores ).  Then, later, it occurred to me it SHOULD be feasible to build the Slam-Bang out of PVC pipe, IF you used both the 410 AND the metal pipe insert ( of course, do so at your own risk.  I‘m on the fence whether I want to try it myself.  This is ONLY in the idea stage-I can‘t guarantee it is a good idea ).  Watching the video, that flare gun looked a lot more flimsy than PVC pipe.  Of course, I haven’t tried it yet.  And I understand a 410 might be grossly underpowered and cause problems in itself.  But it is an idea that might warrant following up.  Comments?

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35 comments:

  1. I would try the PVC 410 gauge if I could figure out a easy (cheap) way to test fire it a dozen times or so without holding it. Any one got an idea on how to DIY test fire remotely???

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    1. How about firing it like a mortar? Have a large upright metal pipe securely facing up but away from you. Drop the gun in with a extended arm ( the pistol grip on a stick with the tweezer arms used by old people who can't bend down ). Retrieve after firing to inspect.

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  2. I think the year you are talking about is 1898, but you were close enough. As to the flaregun idea, I would probably go with the slingbow idea over this, it probably has the same range and less chance of losing body parts. Also less chance of a LEO mistaking your supplies for bomb making materials.

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  3. I'm guessing that in the near future, flare guns will be classified as 'real firearms' and become legislated. 'They start fires - portable flamethrower!', that sort of nonsense. If it comes to that, I think a small crossbow makes more sense, quiet and no powder burning so ammunition is where you can manufacture it.

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  4. As you've already touched upon James, the number one option to thwart gun control will be the home built. Check out the links of the talented young man below to get a few ideas.

    Royal Nonesuch – home made slamfire guns.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVhceWZiYPQ

    Royal Nonesuch main page

    https://www.youtube.com/user/royalnonesuchshow

    A few other thoughts, but less desirable due to cost. No background checks on any of the below, but of course there will be a paper trail in some form or another, unless it's through a private purchase.

    Sub-Caliber Device For .45LC/.410 Ammo. Fits into standard 26.5mm flare gun, $59.99. The sad thing is that I already have the flare gun, but they won't ship the adapter to my home state of the People's Republik of Kalifornia. Another option is to buy the 12ga flare converter for the 26.5mm flare gun, which is legal everywhere, and modify it down to a smaller gauge.

    http://www.budk.com/Sub-Caliber-Device-For-45LC-410-Ammo-27560

    Cap and Ball revolver with cartridge conversion cylinder. Stay away from the Colts for quick loading and reloading, and get the Remington 1858 (.45 long colt) or 1863 pocket revolver (.32 S&W short). An expensive option though since the guns are now over $300, and so are the cartridge conversion cylinders.

    The pre-1898 guns can be bought through the mail, and can often be found in a commonly found cartridge, such as the .45 long colt. The problem is that a good gun in good firing condition from this era will probably set you back a few grand. So the cost makes these guns impractical for anything other than collectibles.

    While it might be technically possible, I'd probably err on the side of caution and avoid using PVC as a material to manufacture firearms with.

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    1. I agree on the last sentence, which is the source of my caution. It is just that the flare gun guy made it look so simple.

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  5. Re. 80% receiver AR: You need a drill fixture to make it (it's really easy). If you buy a drill fixture to make just one, it's cheaper to fill out a 4473 and buy a complete stripped lower (if you're a good shopper, it might be cheaper to get a complete lower!). The trick is to buy a bunch of 80% receivers and a drill fixture, then RENT the drill fixture to each person you sell an 80% to (1/10th of cost of fixture per week + returnable deposit of 100% of the cost of the fixture in case they wreck it or don't give it back). I don't have a problem with having the receivers listed on a 4473, since I'm really casual about actually keeping hold of the weapons I buy new. When you make an AR from an 80% and a part kit, it's not for sale/transfer. It's yours only, forever. It's still a part-kit and you should strip/destroy the anon lower before selling/disposal. LE is slightly concerned with non-registered "ghost guns" but they aren't "crime guns" due to the PITA of making (and that they are not concealable) vs. just stealing firearms from cars. They are perfect as militia arms, if you tend that way.

    Factory-made single-shot shotguns are very cheap. Cheap new, cheap used, really-cheap with a broken/confused bit (very-dirty?). I like 20ga shotguns as the good balance between wimpy 410 and hard-recoiling 12ga (esp. for ~100 pound kid or small woman). Not passing on any at the right price. I have found shotguns cut too short to be legal and shorter than legal overall length, but many barrels and stocks are replaceable (separate the barrel from action and dispose of as soon as you get away from the buy, or even before)and you really just want a working action and a tax-paid serial number. Weapons that look BAD are frequently functional and refinishable/repairable, and will be MUCH cheaper than a pretty one.

    The whole pre-189x "non-firearm" for a whole lotta cash is a fine way for Yuppie Scum to waste their money or pull in suckers to buy their inflated old junk. It's a firearm, so what? Without Bat-Fags to enforce Un-Con rules, there would be almost no interest in old junk, or mg's (after getting the ammo bill!), and people would use suppressors commonly to not annoy the neighbors while shooting rats.

    The paranoia/single-issue over gun control is overblown. The Statists aren't really wanting your guns (to use or deny you guns), they want YOU and your CHILDREN as willing slaves because you ARE the valuable thing. Most people have only a few months wages (at most!) in gold or silver as jewelry or a few coins. This doesn't matter much to national wealth or personal survival. Coming to get your gold and guns (or guns first..whatever) is so expensive and so politically problematic that it won't/can't happen. The scenario I could see is the rapid and complete depopulation/evacuation of an area during an "emergency", then teams sent in to loot (err, "secure") the area in case the people come back. Fighting house-to-house is a soldier-wasting strategy when you can just vent a rail car of chlorine gas on a still day after a short advance warning (get on the bus to safety!).

    pdxr13

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    1. I too see little value in total confiscation, which is why it is better to buy your Gun Control Insurance extremely cheap. Little probability equals low cost insurance. Why spend more than $20 on a weapon you most likely will never need?

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    2. We are close enough to Peak Black Rifle prices to make it a good time to sell, esp. pre-1994-ban imported rifles. Fer example: a Belgian/Argentine FAL might bring $5k, but a like-new USA-made DSA FAL can be had for $1200 (or a .308 boltie for cheap to use the cases of ammo in the basement).

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    3. Wouldn't you want to wait for the election to sell or not?

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    4. Pre-election fear can only be surpassed by a D POTUS +D Congress majority + "maybe D senate. I see customers in gun shops already panicking like this is the first/last time to ever buy a rifle, and have just cashed the IRA/401K at age 35. Last year "preppers", not lifetime cheapo collectors.

      re: semi-auto guns won't be "confiscated". They will become Registered Semi-Auto's, like MG's are now, with tax stamps for revenue. Ammo will require a "card" like Illinois FOID with authorized calibers only for weapons you have registered. No more $0.22 9mm or $0.06 .22LR, with "safety" and "revenue" taxes applied to go with currency de-val.

      I see rifles as collectables and practicals, like coins are "numismatic" or "bullion". Collectables and numi's peak in value during a boom run-up, and practicals/bullion peaks as fear builds during a collapse. Peak Domestic Propaganda (don't worry, be happy!) might be an index to watch, and it would be pretty medium-high now.

      pdxr13

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    5. Good take on the situation-thanks. I'm all theory in my ivory tower, you are boots on the ground.

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  6. Because of how the *slam-bang* activates all sorts of ideas come to mind to activate it remotely for hasty booby traps. All that's required is force and gravity in cooperation with the weight of the thing itself can supply all the necessary force.

    Frankly, as I get older I get more cautious, so activating this thing for the first time by hand is not doable. I'd have to tie a string to it and loop it over a tree limb and drop it on concrete while standing behind the tree or something. Back in my retarded youthful days it was common to shove a milkshake straw down over the bullet of a deer rifle cartridge and throw it up in the air over the paved road, and run like hell.

    Pay cash only for a firearm and no receipts, signatures, DL, nothing. If the seller requires a trace item on you don't do business with him. Remember Quisling.

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    1. Anybody would turn you in for $50 or $100 and think not once about your torture and death after arrest. People are dicks.

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  7. Since you like 9mm for your forever gun, here's a way to turn your 12 gauge single shot into a 9mm with rifle-like accuracy. I would probably have a 12 gauge single shot even if I was a desert dweller with long sight distances everywhere.

    http://www.gunadapters.com/12-gauge-to-9mm-pathfinder-series/

    With the 8" barrel inside your 18-28" tube it'll be quieter than a pistol in case you're forced to fire without hearing protection in. It'll still hurt your ears, just do less damage. Also, your 18-28" barrel on the shotgun will act to reduce the visible muzzle flash at low/no light times. It's not that slow, you can pop out the empty casing with your fingernail instead of removing it and using a dowel as other designs require. Also, the steel is not stainless, it'll rust if you don't care for it. I like a thin coat of mineral oil or Frog Lube.
    Peace out

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    1. Seems a bit on the pricey side, if you can get a 9mm carbine for barely over twice the price.

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  8. I tried, and couldn't download any of those PDF's on the first page James, though I was able to view the plans through the scribd site. Same gun that Clarence used to slay the AA muggers with, while building his payroll to take on the Martians (It's a short story by Kurt Saxon, and yes, Clarence was a crazy bastard).

    To be honest, it's gotta be hell firing something like that, and he was even suggesting that you use the high velocity buckshot rounds (I wouldn't even try that, and neither would you if you knew how bad a full size 12ga single shot alone kicks). If I were to build one I would reduce the gauge down to something manageable, like a .410, or at the most, a 20ga.

    I think that the plans mentioned on p. 39 and 40 of the Poor Man's James Bond, might be a more practical and usable weapon. I can't imagine that you would be able to aim that pipe contraption very accurately.

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    1. It is far from ideal-the best part of the plan is its cheapness. Heck, just stash the boxes of shells and you'll always be able to find pipe. I LOVED Clarence-some of Kurt's best writing.

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  9. I guess when you quit blogging we will figure you blew yourself away with your plastic shotgun experiments!

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    1. I'll experiment with my left hand so I can still use my right to type. I wouldn't dream of depriving the world of my wise drivel.

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    2. Totally agree Rat.
      There are some things in life you just don't want to scrimp on. A quality weapon won't let you down when it really matters. You mostly get what ya pay for.
      Used guns are just too easy to come by. If ya keep your eyes and ears open and have patience. Many excellent deals to had.

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    3. A cheap, used, paperless firearm is not a bad way to spend money. My point is that since total gun control is a very low probability, your insurance cost on that should correspond. Why spend $200 on a threat low on the scale when $20 will do.

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  10. As a redneck gun toting lover of freedom, I detest gun control, but as a survivalist, in a weird roundabout way, gun control actually benefits the survivalist. A true commited survivalist will have guns, weather by fair means or fowl. But strict gun control laws means there is less guns out there, meaning come shtf there are less heavily armed sheeple. In a world of blind people, the one eyed man is king. In a world of unarmed sheeple the redneck with a 303 rains supreme.

    Here in Australia when the big gun buy back happened in 1996, they really didn't go any further issue a lot of empty threats. No cops came kicking doors in, no nasty letters saying we know you bought such and such gun 4 yrs ago. Basically any one that wanted to keep any prohibited gun just did so. 400,000 sks's imported in the 20yrs or so pryor to '96, 40,000 handed in. 300,000+ sks's still out there.

    If they cant keep drugs out of prisons, they have no hope of keeping guns out of the hands of those who really want them.

    And just for the record, rural Australia is still awash with guns.
    Aussie

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    1. That is actually very good to know. Since you are far more concentrated in a few cities it would have been much easier to force the issue there than here. Also, they have rednecks there?

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    2. Yep there are plenty of Australian rednecks, and I'm proud to be one of them. Gun sales are booming here in Australia. Any one who wants a legal gun, its really not that hard, just slow annoying and frustrating. The zip code I live in has 9 legal guns to every 10 people, nearly as high a gun rate as the good old USA, more hunting rifles/shotguns, less plastic poddle shooters and pistols.
      Aussie

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    3. It's good to be a redneck. Or, at least anything other than a Yuppie. It's also good to have less poodle shooters around.

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  11. The real question is what did you do to make the gun police want to target you for attention? The country is awash in legally purchased firearms and there aren't that many LEOs. Tracking down a single shot shotgun and revolver bought a decade ago just doesn't make sense unless there is value to singling you out from the crowd.

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    1. It seems they have made everything suspicious behavior ( in theory I was on a list in the '80's for subscribing to Soldier Of Fortune ), so how indeed are you going to be singled out?

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    2. If everyone is on a list, then no one is on a list. Too much data, or crap-data like I was instructed to collect for the US Census, is paralyzing for stressed-out bureaucrats. You just have to be quicker than the slowest guy, or quieter than the loud guy, and be generally-useful to your tribe, to avoid coming up on the priority suspect list of easy pick-ups.

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    3. Like the news today. So much of it from the Internet, you don't know what is true or not.

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  12. They don't need to go after guns. Just ammo. (almost) No-one has enough ammo.
    An executive order that no ammo may be sold on the open market until all government orders are fulfilled would do it, at least combined with ruinous government orders (.0005 per round of hard to make expensive ammo, in the order of billions of rounds, is the order that needs to be fulfilled = Purely for national security you understand.)

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    1. Damn, I love your paranoia! You give me lessons in worrying more.

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  13. Ain't no more Country Music. it's all hard rock with a cowboy hat and torn jeans.

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