Monday, December 23, 2019

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Water Filter
Well, technically, water purification. Now, before I start, I want everyone to know, if you EVER write an article or do a podcast or film a video, for the love of all that is holy and just, please, I beg you, shut the hell up about “without water you'll die in three days, water is more important than food”. Ah, NO, no it is not, not in the way you are presenting it. There are only a few spots on Earth where there is going to be absolutely no water, that you cannot easily plan for it. Water is heavy and hard to store, but it is also much easier to get than food.
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With food, you must fight all animals, to include your fellow man, to grab those calories. Water? It is rare it is fought over on a daily basis ( a generational basis, or the very rare war when a Fifty Year Famine happens, sure ). With water, even in the desert, you can easily store enough where there is no immediate danger ( never rely on a well that needs a pump, and never have only ONE storage container ). With water, it is everywhere, even if the rain isn't due for several months ( UBC totes are cheap and universal, they are your friends ).
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Food? It can be several thousand miles away. Stop acting like a pussy, take a few precautions, stop wasting water like a middle class American in Phoenix watering a golf course, and water will be a non-issue. Having said that, you need to treat it. I prefer boiling and pasteurization, followed in preference by a filter. Last on the list is bleach which, yes, I drink everyday from town water, but which will also eventually runs out ( to my mind, a bigger consideration than the health risks ). I stock the equipment for all methods.
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Back-up for your back-ups. Boiling, it is hard to screw up or to spend too much on. It is never a bad idea to have extra pots and pans from the thrift store ( as well as kitchen knives ). In the winter, the fire is probably always going during waking hours, and so this method is essentially free. My home in the high desert sees cold weather six to eight months a year, but it is also the high desert. Sage brush is the only fuel. Luckily it is also sunny a lot. If wood is scarce and it is cloudy, I have plenty of filters.
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A note on boiling. Everyone says, boil away for X minutes per thousand feet of elevation. I've read research ( thanks to minion recommendation ) that suggests this is unnecessary. Just as with pasteurization-see below-all that needs to be done is for water to be hot enough long enough. The process of bringing the water up to a boil is hot enough long enough. Bring TO a rolling boil, no need to keep it going that way. TO a boil, and you are done. If this makes you uncomfortable, well, just stick to tradition.
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Another tool for boiling is to pre-heat the water in a solar oven. No need to spend mega-bucks buying a factory one. Just look at all the advertisements to get ideas and make your own. They won't be as efficient, but they will be cheap ( and in my location, won't blow away in the wind ). Most days, the water will even be hot enough long enough to be ready to drink after it is pasteurized. This just means hot enough for a long enough period of time. Get yourself a WAPI.
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A WAPI is a WA ter P asteurization I ndicator. It is a glass tube with soy wax inside that melts once hot enough ( there is a probe attached, the tube itself doesn't go in the water ). It is caveman simple. A bit high at $10 each, but they do sell a three pack for about $23 with free shipping at Amazon. And, don't break it and it lasts forever. There are no filters to clog or moving parts to break ( except a metal wire-which is why you ALWAYS have a back up ). I know there is a technique they advise in the tropics with a plastic bottle on a dark roof. Just buy the WAPI unit, to be safe.
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Next up are actual filters, of which I recommend two. There are fancier and more expensive, but I don't focus on chemical treatment, just biological. To me, post-apocalypse, we are dealing with radioactivity from 400 nuclear power plants melting down. Other than a sand filter, I'm not sure what anyone expects to do to filter this out. It seems you would need a LOT of chemical filters. And they would be glowing in the dark due to the concentration. As such, I pretty much throw up my hands in bewilderment, shake my head at the futility, and just throw the dice.
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I know this upsets you, and you want answers to everything. I just look at it like a bullet from an ambush. If it is going to get you, what can you do? Why worry? Okay, to the filters. Sawyer, because $20 each ( I've been told your Kroger might have them for $17, if they carry a camping section ), and not just $20, but 100k gallons. At this price you can easily afford back-ups. A better filter would be a Katadyn. Alas, $70 and “only” 13k gallons, but you can make a homemade Berky counter top unit out of it.
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Nothing easier. Two five gallon buckets, one with a lid. Drill a hole in the middle of the lid, and in the middle of the bottom of one ( just enough to drop element nipple through ). Screw the filter element in place in the drilled bucket. Place on top of the other bucket which has the lid on it. Pour in water, it drips through the top to the bottom. Done. I don't see why you would actually buy a Berky, unless the wife insists on a nice looking stainless steel unit, for $300, instead of a redneck plastic version for $80. I've read that the Berky elements don't last as long, but also that they do indeed with regular cleaning. I just like Katadyn, because Swiss.
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I've stored the Katadyn element through many cold winters and the rubber gasket is still good. However, replacements just in case are never a bad idea. You can use garden hose size rubber washers, so stock up on those as a back-up gasket. They sell a sheet of them for just a few bucks. Otherwise, your $70 investment is endangered.
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I've read you can use an unglazed flower pot that does the same thing. If there is a hole in the bottom, seal with a coffee saucer from the thrift store ( silicon caulking should do it ). Yet, I've also read not all pots work. So definitely just buy one and experiment before stocking up. This now leaves the least desirable, but cheap enough it is silly to NOT have it ( worse case, just use it for topical skin disinfectant. I've had an infected dog bite I successfully treated with nightly bleach water soaking ), bleach powder. You do NOT want to count of liquid bleach from the store. It returns to salt water in as little as six to twelve months.
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Basically, you use “pool shock” to make a concentrated solution that then treats water. I must give credit to Rawles for first publishing this ( his other great one was table salt from water softener. Just make sure it is sodium chloride and NOT potassium chloride. Of course, it lacks iodine ). You just need the right brand of shock, and the correct amounts. I'll just direct you to two web pages rather than repeating:
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In short, for $20 to $30, you have so many gallons of bleach ( always make fresh, as needed ) you'll think they will last several lifetimes. It is a Better Than Nothing alternative, and as I mentioned, medicinal. It can't hurt to have the stuff.
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15 comments:

  1. Kearney had a few words to say about radioactive water. Basically you take a container of water, throw some pulverized clay(ey) soil in it, stir well and let settle. The radioactive particles bind to the clay, you siphon off the water and then filter it as normal

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  2. Mr D

    I'm a box red drinker, and the bladder can be cleaned and re-used as a water carrier ... it folds down to a small footprint, and is easy to carry in any pack/bag

    Chlorine Solutions - Water Prep

    1/2 level - tsp granular calcium hypochlorite (1/4 oz) in 1 gallon water. That produces stock chlorine solution of about 500 mg/L, since Ca++ hypochlorite has available chlorine content ~ 50 to 70 % by weight.

    1/2 tsp : 1 G STOCK CHLORINE SOLUTION 1/2 t ~ 1 G

    To disinfect water, add 1 part stock solution to 100 parts of water. This is 1 pint (16 oz.) of stock chlorine to each 12.5 gallons of water.

    Remember - 1 part stock : 100 parts to be sterilized / disinfect 1 : 100

    To remove any chlorine odor, aerate the water by pouring back & forth between containers for 2-3 m. Here are easy ratios for sterilization, using prepared stock solution ....

    16 oz per 12.5 Gal
    8 oz per 6 Gal
    4 oz per 3 Gal
    1/3 oz per Qt ( 1 tsp = 20 drops = 1/3 oz )

    Chlorine Bleach and Uses

    CDC recommends a fresh 1:10 to 1:100 solution for cleaning up blood spills

    FEMA recommends 8 oz of bleach per 5 gallons of water for killing mold and 4 oz per 5 gallons for disinfecting flood-contaminated articles:

    Bleach does have some problems - it has a limited shelf life (6 months to 2 year)
    In metric, mix approximately 7.5ml of powder (by volume) to 8 liters for a 5% bleach solution.

    1 kilogram ( 2.2 lbs ) of pool shock makes almost 1,400 liters ( 350 gallons ) of standard bleach solution. Enough to treat many thousands of gallons of water!

    A one-pound box makes just under 165 gallons of stock solution

    Get pool shock containing only - Calcium H/chlorite
    Other types of chlorine - Tri-Chlor and Di-Chlor - are not suitable

    Be advised it's a powerful oxidizer, and should be stored in dry container, sealed away from moisture. It will catch fire violently if put in contact with brake fluid and similar substances, so be careful. But the increased shelf life and mess-free storage outweigh any negatives.

    Liquid bleach is useful, but get no more than a gallon at a time. One important proviso: You want to buy only plain bleach -- not bleach with scent or any other additives that could be poisonous. Check the label before buying liquid bleach. It must have ONE, AND ONLY ONE ingredient: Calcium Hypochlorite!

    Chlorine Tablets.

    Chlorine tablets containing the necessary dosage for drinking water disinfection can be purchased in a commercially prepared form. These tablets are available from drug and sporting goods stores and should be used as stated in the instructions. When instructions are not available, use one tablet for each quart of water to be purified.

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    1. See, this is why I included links :) Makes my head hurt, so better you than me :)

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  3. Yes great = 9:22, brilliant.

    If a Minionite just keeps a lid on things, cooks those six pots on a four burner stove fluidly all through the apocalypse, and just adhere to old school grandparents standards, things should just be a dinky rough camping excursion level of adventure. By digging down on these Bison Institute studies we shall not be looking all third world 'Idlib' refugeeish on cable news. Drats! Today's article got more tasks for me, thanxs folks!☆

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  4. I hate drinking boiled water. They say pouring it from container to container puts oxygen back into the water, improving the taste. But I think it still taste flat. I store tang and country time lemonade for improved taste. I have 6 or 7 Sawyer filters that work good but will crack if they freeze with water inside, and trust me it true. The whole plastic broke and fell apart. I made a plastic bucket with the filter, like the Berkey, and the water taste like plastic to me. So I do all filtering with a sawyer dripping into glass containers.

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    1. Well, I'm going to have to keep mine in my shorts, to keep it from freezing, so the water will probably taste like ass

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    2. I tried keeping a bottle of water in ny sleeping bag when I lived your way Lord Bison. The condensation made me feel like I wet myself during the night. Maybe a variation of the haybox instead?

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    3. A brick, wrapped in a towel, heated on the woodstove?

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  5. No coliform bacteria can survive beyond 140° (Farenheit). The 'legal' parameters for pasteurization of milk is 161° for a mere 15 seconds. So reaching the 212° boiling point of water is probably excessive in most circumstances, and a waste of fuel.

    Complete sterilization requires a pressure cooker to get the temp to 275°. This is what the "canning" process requires for food.



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  6. article idea. Ham radio from your prospective. Shortwave to see what is going on. Good S.W. radios can cover the ham bands so you can listen. Listening antennas can be cheap and some of the small cheap radios receive well. I keep one that is protected from EMP and lighting in storage.

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    1. Appreciated, but I don't think I could get a whole article out of that. Buy, plug, play, long spool of wire.

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    2. Good suggestion Speedgene, and I’ve also touched on this before in the comments section. But if you wish to receive amateur radio/ham operators, you must purchase a shortwave radio that is capable of receiving single sideband transmissions, as practically no ham operators today use AM (Yes, a few still do on certain bands, but you will be very limited).

      Another good idea is to have one of those tuna can style, ham transmitters. This is a very low tech transmitter, that can only transmit in Morse code. The advantage being, that it is low power (Usually 12v, 1 watt) but can still transmit worldwide. Have some form of Dyno generator, just in case all batteries fail. You can put the wife or kids on the dyno, long enough to blast out a message. For a forever receiver, look into a crystal shortwave set.

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    3. See, right there-much better info than I could come up with. Another reason for me to leave the subject alone.

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    4. I have been a Ham for 20 years and have a solar powered station but it uses 25 to 110 watts. Great idea to build a low power station. I will look into a Dyno to power it and a light or two. Thank You.

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