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Junk Land
Land that no one else
wants, and there is a ton of that as this is a big country, at least
until you get east of the Mississippi and then everyone is buttholes
to elbows ( although, surprisingly, a lot of even that area can be
wilderness ), is fondly referred to as junk land. There is always
something wrong with it, but usually it just means there are no
utilities to it. And today's Marshmallow Soy Boys simply must have
electric and running water. I don't understand why. Don't people
look around and see those grid systems failing?
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No one notices that in
California you can be without electric for two weeks in a row,
easily? No one was astounded that Michigan city dwellers could get
cleaner water from a factory effluent pipe than the city tap? No one
took note that Atlanta is charging senior citizens $300 a month for
water and sewer? Atlanta. Georgia. Not exactly Phoenix, now it it?
No one took note during the last South America economic slump and
countries were selling off their utilities to private companies and
the extreme poor were then charged outlandish sums for water?
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Believe me, from a guy
on his fifth wife, I know we can all be a huge dumbass when it comes
to ignoring how badly someone can screw you, given the means. If
something can be weaponized against you, it will be. And as the
system fails, both in width and speed, more and more you will be
targeted financially. This is not just a given, but a rear view
mirror trend. What is convenience or luxury now can be a noose
later. Local governments already doubled property taxes when they
needed the revenue, zero regard to the poor affected.
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It isn't JUST the
fellow citizens who can screw you if you live in the city. Any more,
when mobs of Disadvantaged Youth aren't trying to kill you in the
Knock Out Game, the government is jacking up the taxes, the
corporations are doubling prices and the employers, assuming you find
one, are slashing your wages. And those wonderful utilities you
crave and desire, they are the worst of both the corporate and
government worlds. A monopoly power, with a complicit overseer. I'm
not saying they aren't still a good deal, a bargain. They are just
evil and untrustworthy.
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The last quote I got to
install electric was $3k. That is without installing extra poles,
just the one with transformer. For that I could buy three kilowatts
of solar panels. I would have to run an electric heater to waste
enough power to use all that up every day. Just 100 watts was enough
for a trucker TV, lights and a laptop computer. If you use a freezer
temperature control ( in the daily link below ), you can have a
refrigerator for no more than 200 watts a day. With a properly
insulated home, who really needs grid power?
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Why is hauling water
such a burden? I know plenty of Barbie Princesses who look at it
like a social ostracizing activity, but it is a minor chore. And you
sure don't waste a whole lot of it that way. A sawdust toilet is no
more smelly than a water flush unit. The stench came from your ass,
and unless you stick a vacuum cleaner up there, no way can you avoid
that. If you think a pile of sawdust with creamy feces filling is
gross, wait until your septic needs to be emptied. Or the toilet
backs up as your local sewage plant is having financial difficulties.
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Another big problem
with junk land is distance from town. This shouldn't be a huge deal,
because the average amount of travel for the American commuter has
increased decade after decade. How many people actually live near
work, anymore? Long drives are almost normal. Now, I do NOT like
this trend. I've been against automobile ownership my whole life and
as I keep reminding you, Peak Oil was in 2005. That simply means
conventional high BTU oil has hit a production plateau ( and is now
at a global 4% drop annually-which strangely scares nobody ) and
eventually the oil runs out.
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My only point here is
that it seems silly to use the excuse of long commutes so as to NOT
move out to junk land, while you are still driving long distances
from the suburbs. I won't live on junk land out of comfortable
bicycle range, myself, but then, I like actually planning and
prepping for the future. Your mileage may vary, no pun intended.
Like the grid excuse, the transportation excuse is just a way to
justify the fact that you are a extrovert, a bizarre Darwin Award
creature, with faulty wiring. You must marinate in the sweaty juices
of humanity, mercy upon your soul by your deity of choice.
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The last excuse used to
not live on junk land is being married or employed. The wife
refuses, and the job requires suburban conformity. Now, I'm not
arguing with this. I now live in town instead of my junk land, as I
upgraded to a wife that can actually stand the sight of me and she
uses arthritis as an excuse to live in town. Jesus, buttercup, rub
some dirt on it and it will be fine! I didn't care enough about the
old wife, and moved off grid not caring what she thought about it.
At the time, it was our only financial choice ( and that was me
working full time, plus overtime, plus writing ).
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Well, I wasn't a
heartless bastard. I should say, she started making my life hell and
I returned the favor. But really, we had no choice. The cheapest
rent in town was 70% of my take home pay, all three paychecks. And
rent was going up 10% a year like clockwork. But she didn't want to
be off grid and eventually left because of it. You must please the
wife, period. I have no problem with that. The only solution I can
offer to that is to not actually move there until you have a turn key
solution to present to her. I've always said, move there NOW, and
put the rent amount to building with cash.
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If the wife simply
won't move, you might have to finance the building as you stay in
town. I understand not living there opens it to theft. If you can
solve THAT problem, you might be able to proceed. But just owning
the land, even if you can do nothing with it until forced to move by
the state of the economy, that is far better than staying put under
the tender mercy of your friendly global Red Shield banker.
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Following. The mileage or distance to a town or services hub can be pros and cons in either close or far scenarios. I may opt for a farther out positioning, for varied reasoning. Motor transport of sorts should hold up for a spell into a collapsing period even. Other wise the bicycle, donkey cart whole day treks with overniter multi day errands as in old days will again be normal. Five years may elapse with no collapse, but a bunch of pilgrim rube settlers filled in the expanding town hub circles of available lands i.e. infill growth. Also the farther out you go it is buffer distance from 'others'. There will be rogue out of work former bloggers during the grid down collapse all angry with frustration of no more 'internet dope' outlet availble causing some rampaging around the towns. Water will just be the big determiner to options. Good pointers Jim.
ReplyDeleteSoon, real dope unavailable as China containers stop being exported. People will 2x their normal stupid.
DeleteFor the daring, I suggest using some West-of-the-Rockies junk land, dry and high altitude, to try growing opium poppies. It's done legally by large co's that grow it here in the US for legal opioids and those poppy seeds that go on buns, but if we're really going to have our internal Afghanistan, might as well invest in the right kind of crops.
DeleteI had my computer crap out on me and am I glad I keep some books around. I think reading itself must be addictive, and it was catch up on some reading or get the jitters.
A good book entertains, teaches, and lets you avoid all the asshats around you. Triple winning
DeleteI might be a glass is half full sorta dude. But to me, junk land seems like a good deal. Let’s say that you wish to live above the bare basics. Even if you factor in the cost of a cistern (And remember, in the desert, it must be a larger capacity then you’re anticipating your needs will be) you can do so for a small fraction of the cost of a well. And in addition to water, a well will provide you with an endless source of costly problems. Add in a few raised bed boxes, and fill with non-native soil, and you’ve greatly improved your junk land and food production capacity, well beyond the norm. And yes, an earth sheltered abode. Unless you can afford to constantly heat your shelter, which you can’t, which is why you had to buy junk land in the first place.
ReplyDelete“If the wife simply won't move, you might have to finance the building as you stay in town.”
And since the wife won’t move, you have to plan on going it alone, and consider that if you did find such a wife, it’s a bonus, but not to be expected. Can you find a female that will live in such a manner? Yes, but it’s rare, and in all likelihood, she’s gonna look something like Sue from Life Below Zero. Which may or may not be a bad thing, if you don’t mind your females having a penis :D
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She’s the rough ridenest, testicle stompingest, cigar chompingest, whiskey guzzling gal, you’re ever gonna find. And she’s single, imagine that. Looks like she’s in bad need of a shave in that second photo, so factor in some extra razors :D
Assuming of course the penis possession was in fact a joke, and she has the correct girl parts, you can still do her. If frugal, and brown paper sacks are not on the budget, just turn out the light. Not sure what the problem is here. Fat and ugly gals need loving too. Just be careful if the macho behavior means she also owns a strap-on.
DeleteShe's what you call a double-bagger. You put one on her head too in case yours breaks.
DeleteLOL! I always thought it was two bags over her. Your way is much funnier!
DeleteNoche Libre mexican wrestler masks, more hip.
DeleteAaahhh...hello! Repressed homosexual fantasies of being pinned down and taken violently. Not sure I'm hip with that.
DeleteYer gonna laugh but in some cultures, those "modified from stock" gals are considered damn fine wives, for when a guy's done his part for his society by having kids. Put the 'milker' out to pasture, and settle in with Lenore and hi,er, her extra razors.
DeleteJim that's how the two-bag joke always worked. One for you, one for her. The one for you in case hers falls off.
I've heard that joke for 35+ years and never had heard the entire thing explaining it. I also don't get out much or have many friends :)
DeleteHere's the link to the solar fridge device thingy https://diysolarforum.com/threads/for-camping.81/
ReplyDeleteJust super insulate the three (3) cold sides and top, and leave the heat dissipation sides alone...
Stevelo
Yep the idea is to make a "chest" fridge. Front-opening fridges are really inefficient. Why do you think those freezers that held the ice cream bars etc in the "sundries" stores were always chest type? You'd have to bend over and sometimes, as a smallish kid, almost get swallowed up in the thing and they'd have sold more ice cream if they were front - opening like modern freezer cases in the supermarket, but they were tons and tons more thrifty on electricity.
DeleteThe town vs country dilemma was different here in God's Country.
ReplyDeleteWe grew up calling the old houses in town the "Sunday house".
https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/cfs01
Of course back in day, the "Sunday house" wasn't nearly as fancy as shown in above article. Most of the time just a 2 or 3 three room 'shotgun' style. Barebones. Solid sheathed rough cut siding, no tarpaper. Rough floors.
The stable for the mules & wagon probably one grade better. It had sheet metal roof & bricked threshold at entry!!
Priorities-the mules couldn't put on a sweater.
DeleteGeez, at least not long ago, living in the Midwest seemed to come with the right to have a "cabin" on a lake somewhere. It doesn't hurt that there are tons and tons of lakes and streams and so on. A friend of mine, of course growing up with his family having said lake cabin, said if he hadn't moved out to Cali he'd likely have gotten into motorboat racing. It was a big thing in Wisconsin. The "Sunfish" sailboat, popular everywhere, it a magnitude more popular in the Midwest - the bulk of owners of 'em are there. I can confirm they're a barrel of fun.
DeleteBoating. Perfect for the 30 day summer
DeleteThere is cheap land east of the Mississippi, you need a little patience to find it though. Don't get hung up on 20 acres with the riverfront view, although I have seen 1/2 to 1 acre river front lots for 1k. You probably have to build on stilts, but they could be doable. Zoning is what gets you back east.
ReplyDeleteUse your plot to get good growing part of your food, you should be able to expand operations after the decline if needed by moving on to land owned by dead people.
Water hauling can be minimized, if not eliminated by building plywood platforms to increase the area you can collect rainwater from. There are folks in the desert that use that for a 13k gallon system. Plenty of books on ferrocement cisterns on archive.org to help with the storage cost. 300 bucks in IBCs may be fine for most people depending on rainfall frequency and personal use.
I love my 150 watt system, took a minute to work some kinks out of it, but even before then I managed a small radio, phone, laptop and eventually a TV. The TV was found in a dumpster with no power cord, guess what? It runs fine off of 12v, the cord being a 110 transformer. Making one was easy peasy from all the odd power cords I find along the road and save. Battery powered tools are so good now you can even build with them now, charged off solar. I wouldn't hook to the grid now if it was free.
$1k junk land next to the river. Just buy/build a houseboat :) No property tax on it, either
DeleteMy chum Murph applied for building permits from the bumblebrats in Eugene Oregon prior to graveling his downtown backyard, then hauling in two forty-foot Conex.
DeleteHe applied for permits to erect a hard canopy over the twenty-foot gap between the cans.
Each time, the grubbers told us 'no permits required since the structures are not permanent'.
I wonder, since I am not permanent, if I could exist without permits...
Marge, void where prohibited by law
Delete"void where prohibited" They do that a lot in San Francisco, without getting ticketed for it.
DeleteWrenchr I'm fairly certain I've seen you posting elsewhere, welcome to Bisonia!
DeleteI've been making noise about going back to Hawaii to retire, but lately I've been casting my eyes more toward at least giving New Orleans a try. Not least because I'm a trumpet player, and it's a fine moneymaking gig. In a literal few years I'll be able to start getting Social Suck even if at the bare bones amount, and I could afford to live right in the French Quarter. But, not far out of the Big Sleazy there's land to be had and cheap. There are whole small towns that are just about empty. I suspect the modern distaste for farming and fishing and animal husbandry (teehee) are to blame.
As a kid in Hawaii I used to delight in catching (invasive) crawfish and boiling 'em up, fishing in the sea, with stinky bait and sticky hooks and squirming fish that mind when you gut 'em and all. I grew up well acquainted with a weeding tool and hoe, and was a pretty good little forager. Modern keyboard-tappers hate these sorts of things. In fact they recoil at the idea of picking some berries or green growing tips right off of a plant and stuffing 'em in their mouths. It squicks them out!
Marge - when I moved to the prepper place in the semi-rural area south of San Jose, my plan was to do the same thing. Two 40-foot containers on a common pad, gap inbetween, one to be living quarters and one workshop with a couch, fridge, and hotplate so I could have a guest over. I don't know where I thought I was going to get the money from. I'm glad my poverty saved me from that plan, since the place is some kind of ego-cult being held by the land owner and I'm glad I got outta there.
DeleteBut not without taking with me valuable experiences, like, a sawdust toilet is actually less smelly than a conventional water job.
Just the College Of Life, right? Free to join, expensive on the other end :)
DeleteAlso check zoning regs for that county or area. I think there is only a couple or so counties in Nevada that is open zoning or no permits needed. The redoubter areas are getting modernized by kalifornicators with that statist bent. No deplorables structures in their progressive communities. Property values and character of the neighborhood standards interpretations by some nancy pants person. Ensure the land is B-POD compatible. And lastly, Ensure deep fighting positions are dug in promptly upon assuming possession of one's land, it will be needed soon.
ReplyDeleteElko county is no permits under 200 sq ft. The zoning is single family. Not bad compared to most places.
DeleteBank evictions are a goldmine for squatters who move right in without consequences in the former Golden State. More foreclosures means more vacancies. Who needs junk land? :)
ReplyDeleteHa!Yeah, that would be a goldmine of article ideas, if I was inclined.
DeleteOne reason New Orleans hasn't gone totally nuts with land prices is there are a God-damned tons of empty places to squat. I'm sure plenty of adverse possession cases cooking too; not sure if that's on the law books there.
DeletePerhaps NO's saving grace is having dumped all its criminal Diversity Hoards on to east Texas after Katrina.
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ReplyDeleteThat is pure insanity. And people all fall for that crap, a bribe of $10k to have a place in the country? :(
DeleteSo very many small towns with small farms and small houses for sale.
ReplyDeleteBut yet . . . people gotta San Francisco.
No payments for your squat in SF. All money to booze. Priorities, dude
DeleteWe have a small 2.5 acre plot of land owned free and clear about 10 miles away from our present home. The only utility is piped water, two hose bibbs for stock water tanks.
ReplyDeleteAn irrigation canal adjacent for short term water procurement - will definitely require purifying. No livable structures, but a 20' x 20 hay bale cover is present. The cover is too low to allow a small travel trailer to go under it so that leaves that option out. Some tarps for walls and hay bales for insulation would work. That is all we have closeby.
Definitely close enough to bike to city if slow economic collapse.
Remember the Mother Earth News issue on the hippie with hay bales and tarps? Good enough. Around a RV? Perfect. Some material put away for ferrocementing the bales and you are golden
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