PLAN B MOVING 3
While junk land is pretty cheap unless you go Full Retard on it, like buying a patch of kudzo and chiggers in the South ( okay, some land in the south is dirt cheap-and some is a LOT of money for denuded soil and junk vegetation ), obviously the cost past the initial purchase is certainly not zero. Like that “bargain” AR first cost you $400, but then you needed another two grand for ammo and mags. You will need shelter on it. And unfortunately that probably does mean shelter that is both mobile and modular. Which raises the cost.
Let's say that you have a lot of land up the mountain somewhere. Almost free wood, right? Well, no. Because it is almost impossible to build NOW, with the crackhead brigades. So, you need a shelter that you drive to the lot, live in that, THEN build after you are living there full time. Think of crackheads as gophers. They look cute, and they are starved and so relatively harmless, but they are capable of scorch earthing all your careful work in no time at all. You know how cats torture or murder for seemingly no reason?
The cat does actually have a reason, to hone its hunting skills and, in its partnership with Humans Who Feed, eliminate destructive rodents. Crackheads have a good reason for what they do. It is practice for future theft, and it eliminates encroachment on to their territory. That is why they seemingly for no reason destroy what they cannot steal for profit ( this is a theory in progress, obviously ). Why they are so tenacious and why they put in extreme effort to steal so much of so little resale value so far out in the middle of nowhere?
Do you ever wonder why drug lords and the government allow crack to remain so available? Having a low cost alternative surely hurts those entities. The cartels don't sell as much of the better alternatives and the State takes in far less bribes. Again with another half baked theory, I think the crackheads controlling through destruction large rural areas, most people are herded into centralized urban areas, under the control of both entities where the ultimate profit is. Gott Damn crackheads! One day, my Pretties, it will be open season.
So, you cannot live out far enough. Every time you leave, you roll the dice on what will remain upon your return. You must secure anything of value while shopping or working, which means everything is in a fenced in yard, and locked up. You cannot leave the solar panels out in the sun, or propane bottles out in the open. Windows must have storm covers locked, to prevent broken glass. And the yard patrolled by a dog. Just beware, the dog might become a casualty. Far better would be a dog, AND a person left behind, well armed, and electronic sensors far out.
All this sounds silly, I know. Just beware how much I lost, in the middle of winter, with everything extreme low budget. Almost two grand. I'm only lucky the vandalism was very low. If you put in any amount of investment in your place, the theft and damage will be much higher. The most extreme countermeasures are dirt cheap compared to what you can lose. There simply isn't a viable shelter you can build ahead of time, and safety leave alone to the tender mercies of these animals. I'm not guaranteeing you WILL be targeted, but if you are you are double dog dingus humped.
Which means you have a shelter with you now that you can bring with you and live in. But that shelter must also contain the materials you will need for building a more permanent shelter, limiting the supplies of food and such. See the problem with NOT living on your junk land now? You can cache a lot of your supplies, but you had better be sure you are stealthy about it. Crackheads are incapable of hard work, except when there is money or destruction as rewards ( and it doesn't have to be a lot of payback, either ).
A crackhead will perform three thousand dollars worth of damage to get to a three dollar profit item. After traveling thirteen miles over rutted roads to do so. See why my theories about them are tentative? It is hard to figure these freaks out. Is it envy that fuels them? Hallucinations with temporary superhuman strength? Receivers of signals from our Imperial Lizard Overlords? Do they regress to childhood where destruction is both fun and instructive?
If I was really paranoid, I would think they are the perfected Universal Soldier by Skynet, clearing the countryside for a unobstructed drone intelligence gathering-my best guess with current information. These are your first enemy, BEFORE, not after, sheriff deputies, zone enforcement officials, tax collectors and federal EPA agents. Just another group of twats unable to leave you alone to go about the hard enough business of trying to survive now, during and after the crash. Did I digress too far?
A realistic mobile set up would be to have the materials for a minimum size dug-out ( in climes too hot or cold, but not too wet ) and day quarters. The sleeping part is just that, enough room to sleep and not much else, but also enough room as in a small tent for some primitive cooking in extreme weather conditions. Up above, somewhere also out of the weather. For instance if you drove to your location is a van, that would be your place to hang out during the day. You have winter solar gain, with the insides with quilts covering the walls. This is basically Camping Plus, a step above suffering with the seasons. This is during an economic collapse. You'll need to patrol and sentry at just one step below Total Warfare. Acclimate to mostly hanging around outside.
While the darling Princess Pony Prepper won't even think of such a set-up, now, just wait until the cities explode in racial warfare, with LEO's hiring out as mercenaries, and the crackheads funded for hit and runs on the rural areas by the Feds getting paid by the body. Remember the Congo? There was a market for severed hands, under the Belgians. Perhaps here, each federal agency sees their budget tied to a severed head signifying a terrorist. Don't think hunting parties won't go out into the boonies for easy targets?
Point being, there probably won't be a lot of leisure time spent in camp. You'll be okay with bare minimum shelters. So don't sweat unable to being able to haul out a Yuppie Castle come the time. You'll be surprised how quick your priorities change.
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True that James on the rural roving packs of destructive thieving shitbags. Nothing is safe unattended.ReplyDelete
My brother had land adjoining long time family friends. The picturesque little country town was charming at first glance. But nearly the entire population had some combination of drug addiction, sex offender status, wore ankle monitors, etc.
Took the shine right off the garage with efficiency apartment above idea.
Trapped on America's Wang, AKA the Fla peninsula, there is no Hinterland to retreat to. But the town was Fort White, which obviously sounded promising. North of Gainesville where UF is, pretty nice territory.
But alas, all f-d up due to its denzions.
The model name of my FAL with 18" barrel is the Congo. Supposedly configured like what the Belgians used there. It may prove to be preessient.
Bison really came into fine form writing about that worst pest of all, the crackhead.Delete
Stupid, destructive, and tenacious. One night I heard the weirdest grunting out in front of my shop. The next morning I found the water spigot dripping - my boss has put those lock things on the spigots and we've removed the handles, and having a "silcock key" or even Vise-Grips, much less noticing the lock is on there, is far, far above the crackhead mentality. The crackhead had probably wound his t-shirt around the little spindle the handle was missing from and over the space of 20 minutes, gotten the spigot all the way open, which yielded a slow drip.
About 10 yards away is an unlocked spigot with the handle on it, which I thought all the scumbags around here knew about. It's often the site of middle of the night bum baths.
But crackheads don't communicate. You ever see any zombies communicating with each other in any meaningful way in zombie movies? Nope. Crackheads are the real-world zombies, and probably harder to kill because when active they're gonna be not only too stupid but too drugged up to notice they've been shot.
And these crackheads are 99% white. If/when China takes over the US I'd not blame 'em for a second if they want to just neutron bomb or Holodomor large areas of the erstwhile US to make it habitable by human beings.
All hail our Sino Overlords!Delete
A fellow Purple Stater. Yeah, people sure screw up nice places :)ReplyDelete
When I was in the process of building my West Point CA cabin, I had a theft. The stole ladders, and some other tools, but all in all, I got off pretty easy. But I was always paranoid every time that I went up there, in anticipation of what I might find. One time I found some Pyrex beakers, and other assorted chemistry lab equipment on my land. It had that distinct smell. I made the stupid mistake of mentioning this to a realtor that I was thinking of listing with (Do not do this if you want to sell your land, or pay thousand$ to have some EPA faggots come out and inspect and clean it up for you. I get that it’s bad stuff, but they practically treat it like it’s radioactive waste). In hindsight, it soon became apparent that because I was not there that often, that some form of portable shelter would have been a much better choice.ReplyDelete
The problem with camping trailers is that they are poorly insulated, and are laid out generically inside, in a way that they usually have little room. Most of the layout is stuff that I don’t even use. I’d rather have the space, and customize it to suit my own needs. If I were considering a trailer, I would get one of those 5’x8’ utility trailers, and build a box around it, then insulate the crap out of it. You don’t need plumbing; it’s just something that leaks at some point, requiring you to tear apart the floor and walls (as with my current RV). Get a Port-potti and one of those porta-sinks (Each has its own fresh water tank, and black/gray water holding tank) that they sell.
You could always chance it and go the stealth route. I was thinking of building a pithouse on my current junk land. It must be invisible from the road (And ideally the air). You could then cache the rest of your supplies, but not in the pithouse, should they discover it.
Bottom line. Yes, it’s best to live on your junk land full time, and with someone else. And when you go to town, one of you always stays behind.
Sawdust, leaf litter, dried lawn clippings, hay sweepings from your local feed store, most anything will work. Most dirt is too heavy, and don't pee in your bucket, it's for shit only.Delete
A pee bucket seems to soak in the ammonia-even cleaning every night with vinegar doesn't seem to work. I'm wondering if a stainless steel stock pot would work better. But yeah, two separate buckets.Delete
Everywhere but the USA is a good place to bug out.ReplyDelete
Nevada is 11th most dangerous, but I assume that is for Reno and Las Vegas mostly.
I wouldn't hesitate to practice marksmanship on these lowlifes stealing your hard earned lifeline.
Not SA. I should have wrote "Almost anywhere...."Delete
Hungary, for sure.
LOL. Okay, that's better :)Delete
Good comeback Jim on S.A. but seriously, that place is fucked and why the US isn't airlifting Boers outta there I dunno. For them, the US would actually be a better place.Delete
For most of us I dunno. There's got to be some place where whites aren't shitheads. I suspect places like the various Amish/Mennonite etc enclaves might be OK, Cajun areas 'way back in the bayou, etc. but they have remained non-shitheads by being very insular.
One Charles Cather on YouTube extols the virtues of Serbia, and his videos are fun.
One week after the lights go out and everywhere will be the same mindset. That thin blue line is the only thing preventing suburbia from being the same as your pod is now.ReplyDelete
Just gonna be the same come shtf, only on steroids eh ?
The thin blue line is needed more than ever, and ius definitely BTN. But we can't lose sight of what they will become.Delete
To me, it sounds like an expedient shelter that can be left i place but invisible when not used would be a solution. A hoop tent is far stronger than a regular tent.ReplyDelete
Hoop tent ? Low cost easily stashed shelter. Not much to it - 3/4" plumbing steel galvanized pipe sleeves, 20' long). 1/4" rebar and plastic sheeting (that last the most expensive - tarp can be substituted).
To build, cut plumbing pipe into 24" lengths. Drive into ground 9 feet apart one way, 3 feet 90 degrees the other way. 7 frames to form a frame approximately 18 feet long. Insert rebar into sleeves to form hoop frame. At least three rebars tied to these hoops to anchor together would be a good idea. One at hoop peak, the other two lower to anchor the edge of sheeting. Cover with sheeting or tarp and secure to rebar. Duct tape works well. Done.
These sleeves can be driven into ground and left in place. Rebar can be left nearby in hidden brush. If you prefer, PVC piping can be used to protect it. The sheeting - tarps can be stored as well. Bury under a nearby log.
Not the Hilton, but wind resistant - dry counts for a lot outdoors. Hope this helps.
In my location, wind and sun would make quick work of said shelter. Of course, here wet is rarely an issue.Delete
When I get to Dot 1, which will not be owned by me - and I don't care who the owner is, I will not leave it again. It will be deep in the forest of a mountanous area with fresh water close by. I will live in a tent and fabricate my domicile localized ingredients. I will have a lot of dried foods and will supplement with on site animals killed with mostly quiet means.ReplyDelete
I have been practicing what I preach for the past 10 years, by rarely leaving the compound. Getting used to not being around other people isn't hard as long as you have things to keep yourself occupied, which isn't hard if you have an actively creative mind and some ambition. Resources are every where.
And now the ammo stocking and freeze dried makes sense, and cheaper than buying land.Delete
If I could kick this up a notch I'd get a horse trailer and 2 horses. One for ridin and one for packin. The Blazer and trailer will be abandoned about 10 miles from Dot 1. The horses can be problematic cause they need grazing land which means exposure to outside eyes. However, they can be food. This is assuming my wife won't accompany me. If she does accompany me I will need at least 1 more horse. Plus, she will have to understand I may not make it all the way through, what with my recent medical concerns. I suspect she will go to our son and his family. I wish her well, she's been good. If this all blows over, and I am still alive, I will look her up.Delete
The buying of land, if the bottom falls out, will be the anchor around your neck. Once chaos ensues ownership will mean nothing. I'll be a free agent, committed to nothing but myself. I've been down this road before, several time, but as a much younger person. While the body is older the mindset is unchanged. An army of one, loyal to none.
To a point you are absolutely correct on land. Junk land now is just buying more time, a legal squat minimizing harassment. After it all collapses the only thing keeping you near there is cached supplies. You can take it too far, use it as a crutch. But you can also be too lackadaisical about it, and be a LEO target. Flexibility, right?Delete
This is a very important post, Jim. Even in Elko, midway between Reno and Salt Lake City, you'd have to overcome the local zombies, drug addicts, pests, etc. How pitiful our society has become and drug use is just one indicator.ReplyDelete
I won't win any points but I think this article suggests that tribes are a solution. While part of the tribe is away from camp, somebody is behind waiting for the opportunity to practice marksmanship on moving targets.
What have I learned?
Like Jim, live in city while you can. You got a comfortable bed, washer, dryer maybe, but most things, until it is time to move. But when it is time to move, you need a genuine bug out place that nobody knows about or has access to. As I was researching on Land Watch, I noticed that the parcels are in sparsely populated areas, but civilization exists there nonetheless and is easily visited by people with bad intentions.
High ground (Ruby Mts?), with trees for fuel and cover. Don't know, still learning. Jim, ya scared me out of Nevada maybe. By the way, the Amazon link is about King Leopold. No wonder why we are hated. Yes, I do understand that those people over there didn't even know how to use the wheel, as told to me by a former South Afrikanner, but history don't forget, and now the soy boys and their Soros patrons are trying to eliminate all things white. Did the king invent the Leopold scope or was it named after him?
Actually, I think you should move out of the city to junk land now, to practice living that way. I put in my time already, so feel comfortable being away from it, at least skills wise. And it isn't that tribes are a bad idea, they are great in theory. The problem is finding someone you can trust that will also put in the work now. I'm sure the king and the scope are accidentally connected, but I'm not sure.Delete
If a Minionite has the junk land, or hobby cabin now than that could be at least a start or base of operations to use when fleeing the collapse. It can be a lilly pad to use for an interim, to regroup as things collapse. It may be a stepping off point for another nearby locale or other option "B", cause those rosy plans we have now, may have to be changed and adjusted to things on the fly, in spicy times.ReplyDelete
Do not consider any of the known and frequented recreational areas as viable bug out locations. National forests, state parks, hunt-fish habitat zones, and every dinky picnicing and camping spot in between. All the beard boys in yoked trucks and suvs will drag their fat wives and autistic level intellect offspring there as well. They know of these areas from past visits, and wait for it; there is the maps with designations, road signs, gps and google earth, already giving directions to those mouthbreathers. Only a roaded area that is closed off for six months of wintering over will help. Be prepared to fell some trees, blast some landslides, shapecharge some trenches, etc to seal off an area. Have very long timber pikes ready cut and holes predug on the periphery. An interloper or few, rotting upon a pike on a hillside, is a universal no tresspassing sign. Yes it must be taken to that extreme level of game. Because.
I think you are giving the wives and kids too much credit :)Delete
Ya know, my daughter has leaning disability’s and developmental issues. Don’t really appreciate the autism crack. Not like there is any control over it.Delete
I can understand that being a sore spot, but don't you remember how politically incorrect we are here? At one time, decades ago, the odds are 90% a fat person really did just have a glandular condition. Ugly gals can't help how they look. Yet, they both get made fun of. Not their fault, either. My criteria is, don't make fun of them to their face, because that is just cruel. But behind their back? Well, isn't that pretty normal, if you don't make it your life mission to be Sensitive as a redeeming value everyone is supposed to congratulate you on like some kind of Praise Whore. All I'm saying is, the humor is probably going to be a little rough here, without anyone meaning anything by it.Delete
Use the state department of wildlife resouces as intel sorces as well. States will have hunting unit areas delineated upon the state maps. The units are overlayed and cover any related forests, parks, etc. The hunting units will have a look up table index that indicates how many particular game tags issued for each sex:M/F, and each type:elk, deer, goats, bears, antelopes, deer, etc are issued for that unit. There may be two (2) time frames allowed for a game hunt for that unit, i.e. early couple of weeks and a later couple of weeks. There may be concurrent or different game species hunts scheduled in that unit as well. Use those agregate numbers to gauge how many clod hopping dorks will be prancing around there during hunt season. Some hunters visit in the spring or summer to scout "their", (queerish possessive feelinzs) hunt areas. Some hunt parties bring the wives and snot kids as a family excursion as well during hunts. All those numbers (people) are like flies to dung, to those special secret only known to Bubba Hunter and Clan, wildlife areas. It will be a parking lot, rife with noise, light, and all kinds of other discipline failures. Scratch it off the list.ReplyDelete
Hell of an intel tipDelete
Just a FYI; In 1942, the company name was changed to its present form, Leupold & Stevens. Surveying equipment, rifle scopes, and related products are sold under the "Leupold" name, while water monitoring instrumentation, such as level and flow recorders, are marketed under the "Stevens" brand.ReplyDelete
Thanks. Not in the market for any flow recorders. As If I knew what they were :)Delete
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Don't know why I didn't think of anything along those lines prior to the B-POD. Sometimes I'm a real dumbass.Delete
Next week is inventory week at Stately Wilder Manor. I went out camping this weekend and the box where I thought my camping stuff was . . . wasn't. I also looked through three other boxes and they were less than useful.ReplyDelete
Time to get everything so it fits nicely in a pickup. Which is full of gas.
Then I'll have to do it all again next year, but as the number of kids in the house drops, the amount of crap ending up lost gets lower.
Until they come visit again. My in-laws, Curly, Larry and Mo, leave a wake of decimation behind after a two hour visit that would make Sherman envious.Delete
Best way to keep Marauder's guessing if they should attack your bugout place is to be very inconsistently there. Sometimes park your travel vehicle Faraway and walk in, or take a bike or mortorcycle there and hide it from sightReplyDelete
On the few attempts made by dirtbags to raid my place, I happened to be there WITHOUT a. Auto or transportation device in sight. They assumed I was not there. Boy were they surprised when I came out and chased them down with the rake or shovel I had, then got their plate number and pressed charges. Other things you can do is park a vehicle or junk motorcycle with a plate (real or desktop published) right in full view so they THINK someone's there. Works well. I mix it up all the time. Sometime I put solar lights or a solar radio on med so they assume it's occupied.( Bet some people wonder how that little groundhugging minivan got in there on the oneseason road) you can pull anything in w a big pickup.
Or set up a bunch of lawn chairs and table with a bunch of empty bud lite or cores cans and shells on the ground. I used to put beer cans with holes in them on my fence posts. And your place has to look something like deliverance.
They just have to be confused.
It may not work well for grid down or shit hit fan time, but now it's helpful.