Saturday, September 28, 2019

plan B moving 2


PLAN B MOVING 2
Endlessly we have talked of moving on to junk land and most peoples unwillingness to do so. No hate here, I'm in town instead of the junk land myself. And the chances of moving back dwindle by the day as the NOL gets older and the arthritis in winter kicks her ass worse all the time. Living with an older gal is preferable as far as I'm concerned. They might be wrinkled and sagging ( as if I were one to talk ) but they are also grateful and less maintenance. At least mentally. Physically, they become a hot mess ahead of your decline arc.
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I mean, who benefits the most, me living in town? Not myself as much as you my readers. You get close to real time interaction, compared to really delayed gratification if I was off grid. I'm a homebody. I get out the least possible amount. In town, six miles out, same to me. I don't want to go shopping, and even the library is a grave disappointment anymore. Even “conservative” themed new release books have taken a huge dip in quality lately ( as have the e-books ). Et tu, publishing dudes?
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Okay, so, Plan A, living out in the boonies to protect yourself and your crap, is a No-go. Plan B, at least HAVING a place to go, how about that? I know many of you simply plan on squatting somewhere, and that is fine. Myself, I believe the Militant Police State chockablock full of Jack Booted Thugs will survive past the economic implosion and if you are on land illegally you become a fat juicy target. The cost of junk land is so minimal that I cannot believe every last one of you ( with rent or mortgages ) don't have some.
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I get some form of grief from most you, most of the time. Yech, wheat! Gross, bolt action rifle. Isn't your life worth more than low cost prep items? And yet, you all can't find two grand in the budget to have a piece of land that is out of the control of the bankers ( and yes, I understand many of you live far away from junk land and it isn't as easy as all this. What? You can't go in on a hunting parcel with a group of buddies? )? It doesn't have to be junk land. It has to be debt free land with property tax you can easily afford during unemployment.
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And yes, I also understand some junk land is so worthless it is a complete waste of money. Moving half way across the country to a desert lot fifty miles from the nearest grid, when you lose the car to unemployment, doesn't really gain you much ( there was the recent discussion of Honda engines powering bicycles, which to my mind is extremely reliable and viable, perhaps stretches that mileage you don't want to surpass to maybe twice that, not that I could see those extreme distances being desirable time or equipment wear-wise ).
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The whole point is, the economic collapse this time really does not seen to have a happy ending and it behooves us to have solid plans to weather it. First, planning to be without a steady income and second to do whatever it takes to drastically reduce expenses. Shelter is right up there at the top of the list. You want to stay on-grid and in the city? Okay, not the best plan but I can't throw stones in my glass house. Just have a Plan B. All the guns and ammo in the world aren't going to make a good bail fund when you are busted for vagrancy.
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After the apocalypse, people WILL kill you for a crust of bread. Before the apocalypse, people will kill you for wealth and job security. Yes. I mean the cops and judges and lawyers and ( surprise, shades of Epstein ) prison guards. Ex-wives already place you in mortal danger extracting your wealth, not giving two craps that you must live in the ghetto and walk to work at 5 AM through neighborhoods the cops won't patrol at less than two men per car ( and that is AFTER the cops have carte blanche to kill anyone looking at them cross eyed-your only option is to blast and bury ).
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I'm positively shocked you don't want to take this into account on your prepping plans. Expect Mexico style shake downs, NOW, and even worse the further into a economic collapse we fall. Being away from people, on junk land, will look more and more desirable all the time, and NOW is the time to secure said land, while it holds no value. Not to say it won't LOSE value, because it will, but there will still be inflation and supply issues.
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While gas, if not cheap at least affordable, and while gently used Japanese gas sippers are the same, junk land is still a buyers market. Americans are about the most bloated marshmallow men out there ( at least in other western nations, even Oz, there is the cultural memory of war or war time hardship, to temper current luxury wallowing ) and they cannot believe life is possible without AC and deep friers and deep freezers, affordable gas and two hundred TV channels. Move OFF grid? Unpossible!
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We can easily get to and fro to our junk land now, and still don't want it. Near future, without gas, that land will be far less desirable. But here's the thing. ENOUGH people will be willing to rough it, as times get really bad, that the supply will STILL dry up. And prices will fall ( in current purchasing power ), but because of unemployment and inflation, it won't fall enough to be affordable then. Yes, I'm sure one ounce of silver will buy a nice chunk of junk land, then, but wouldn't it be better to buy with fiat now?
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If you do buy with silver, then, remember that we will be in a situation of EXTREME economic hardship, perhaps even including widespread malnutrition ( I can see Food Stamps and Industrial Agriculture easily failing, as both are more Elite Welfare than anything else right now ), and you might get more than one visitor returning to look for more silver ( just as crackheads communicate now, expect that of everyone later-multitudes attempting to steal from you and communicating over alcohol or drugs ).
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The crackhead issue is why you cannot leave anything out on any junk land now. It will only get far worse. I don't even know if a dog is sufficient to hold the property while you are in town anymore ( you come home to a dead dog with an arrow in its ass, and your property stolen and vandalized ). Let's explore that topic further, tomorrow. Instead of continually riding you like a rabid pony to get junk land, what to expect if you finally smarten up and do get some.
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note-more on the banks and the repo situation.  The guy does an excellent job making it understandable.  He thinks there is a good chance the banks know they are playing musical chairs and don't want to be stuck with Treasuries.  Worth ten minutes of your time if this subject is a concern HERE 
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19 comments:

  1. Thank you for writing this, Jim.

    1. Does aging require that we be in-town or close enough? I have a hunch that some of your readers are older than my 62 years and they won't think so. Chalk it up to having slowly over time made their place livable.

    2. Was looking at Land Watch and got excited, at first. Land: $4K; dig a well and install pumping system: $5 to $10K; septic tank: maybe the same; solar panels: Haven't researched that yet.

    3. In light of #2, I would find it hard to have an IN TOWN home AND an off grid home. I don't have that much money to be banker free. You are right that you need to go in with a friend or family member to develop the second place, due to finances. Possibly.

    4. Taxes are nothing on undeveloped land. I suspect they go up as the land is improved.

    5. In your BBB#2 (good reading) you want to be far enough away so that the city folks will run out of gas before they reach you. Your location is about 300 mi from Salt Lake City and slightly less than 300 mi from Reno, which is why for over a year I was looking at that town when I considered moving, but also: no state income tax; not in the heat and sand of Southern Nevada like most ex-Californians; more water; fewer immigrants (only complaint is the way they would vote, not the fact that they are immigrants. Dem Party lack of assimilation creates a permanent constituency); Now for my question: What about pillagers from Elko and the surrounding area? Is everyone in Elko and the Springs area to the south self sufficient?

    6. Forget the washer/dryer.

    7. Related to #3 and to a conversation yesterday: "Trust no one." Someone even gave an example from the French Revolution where insurgents(?) who weren't operating solo were later killed. I missed that lesson in world history, but don't doubt the truth reported it here. So we don't have enough wealth to be banker free which means we might need to partnership on the land and development. At that point I would think the partnership extends to securing life and property too. Please point out where others have said you need to fight alone in the apocalypse, and are we talking about fighting to defend our food, water, and shelter only, and not including resistance to the criminals employed by the government?

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    1. Old age shouldn't interfere with living off grid. Old humpers boondocking in AZ, for example. My town has too many people. I know this. The location is primarily sound for an economic collapse. Not so good for civilization collapse. To be honest, my survival hinges on a slow enough slide that most folks here leave ( unemployment and the cold in winter ). As for fighting alone, I can't point out references. That is mostly my own conjecture. Most other folks stubbornly cling to the mantra, Tribe Up, Tribe Up. Which makes sense until you start dissecting it and the issues involved.

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  2. If junk land has taxes, they can take it. For no reason at all. It's not really yours. They just let you possess it as long as you pay the fee. They make the rules, and they break em.

    I have a US map on my office wall and there are 8 big dots on it indicating places that I have researched over a long period of time. No people within 50 miles. Wilderness and close to water.

    In the event that we cannot live where we are any more I will load my Blazer up and head to the closest dot. My wife can come if she wants. Remember, trust no one. I will then live the rest of my natural life on that dot out of sight of all other people. I'll have my Eton E100 shortwave radio and small solar power so I will keep tabs on the goings on, from afar, knowing that I am well out of the radar sweep.

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    1. Part of me wants to lost in Elko County. I could move around it and explore it the rest of my life. Most of me is too lazy.

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    2. The threat of violence is an instant cure for laziness. LOL
      You'll do what's needed when the time arrives, and you have no other choice.

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    3. GS, when everything has shut down one would hope that very few would be employed in government as well. Who is going to pay them? So I wonder -- I do not know -- if someone is going to be around to collect taxes. And collect taxes where few people live; again, I do not know.

      But relying on the certainty of death and taxes, I believe that not only can they take property, they can arbitrarily set the assessment so that you cannot pay it. I only thought about this while reading JW Rawles' novel a few months ago. The protagonists dutifully paid their taxes while death and destruction were everywhere. I wouldn't be so conscientious.

      Something tells me I don't doubt that you have it all figured out. Those 8 dots are as valuable as the Glengarry Leads. LOL. I couldn't resist that.

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    4. GS-yeah, fear is a great motivator. Took this long to upgrade my obsolete arsenal. Too the housing bubble to get me on my land. Etc
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      Pilgrim-the problem with the current Oil Age gov shutting down is that the local warlord takes over and he wants you to stay there and be his serf.

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    5. @Pilgrim, if the gov't has any money at all it will use it to protect it's own. Locally, how will the gov't get money if the fed gov throws it under the bus? Property taxes. If the homeowner can't pay he will be evicted and the property will be auctioned to the highest bidder. If I was that property owner I would hunt down that tax assessor and anyone else involved and kill all of them. But really, I would probably be killed when the sheriff gang comes to take the property.

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  3. I purchased junk land, being largely influenced by your experiences. I purchased sight unseen back in 2015, but had a good idea of what I was getting thanks to google earth. That’s the one nice thing about living in the digital age. Just be aware that google earth does not update photos that often, so that tranquil parcel that you’re viewing today, may be as it appeared a few years back, prior to that shopping mall going in next door 😬

    If I do not expat to another country (And there is a strong possibility that I might at this point) I will eventually end up there.

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    1. Land is just another prep. Even if you don't use it, peace of mind

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  4. I had a timber cruiser come out, and marked out 25% of my trees to be logged in two weeks. Was offered five grand and will use the money towards another 10 acre parcel for 7500 dollars its about 70 miles farther SE from me. The new parcel is more remote, in the hills and also covered in pines. Now I will have a fallback location since I am staying part time at the land, was almost tempted to clear cut my land as they valued the timber for more than I paid for it about 3 years ago. I swear if you can afford to really get out and look I can find land almost being gave away. But you have to have access to fast cash.

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  5. Pioneering, though more technical in these modern times will require more effort and moxie on the part of those participants than in year's past. Dirt squatting ain't camping pilgrims. Cooking rough, from scratch with no micro and plumbed water, most or all, will fail. When uber motoring ends and donkey travel is it, that junk land best be convenient with open sourced water, and or a bit of resources access, not too far from barter town travels. Your supplies will run out, or you need a tooth pulled, etc. Mountain men in the wilds is all cool and jiggy, but there must be an interaction threshold for your resupply and sustenance. As you know, I know, and Ross Perot knew, this sucker is done. How to adapt and integrate into the next system, what it may be is the key to surviving just past that collapse and spicy times cycle. Be there on the other side, is the winning.

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    1. Kind of the opposite motto of nuke war when they thought the lucky would die first. "I visited the apocalypse and all I got was this stinking T-shirt"

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  6. Funny, on a lame, so-so, Saturday they actually have Soylent Green on an antenna movie channel. Jeez, playing it in your face kinda futuristic programming. When they can make those human feeding ration cubes taste like a steak dinner, (it is done so already, now) we all are thus patriotically volunteered up for the program. Got wheat, instead. Maybe. ...hhmm?

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  7. Even more swell, the next movie after Soylent Green, is Lawrence of Arabia, Enfields and Vickers and just plain expansive deserts. Goody!

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    1. I'm always amazed how well Soylent has held up-probably the best 70's movie to do so. Lawrence is just plain one of the best movies, ever.

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  8. Demented guy, how do you look for land?

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  9. I decided on Eastern Oklahoma, and went to lands of Oklahoma, and searched for vacant land over 5 acres under 15,000. At that time( about 3 years ago) there was probably 30 property's between 5 to 10 acres for 6 to 15 grand. Watch out for land without access in Okla because no one has to give it. I went down and looked at 3 property's and picked 10 acres with a wet weather creek, power and water at the dirt road thick with 60 to 80 foot oak trees. have found a few mature black walnut and pecan. Low ball offer of 9 grand cash, agreed to 12 grand all done with file fees and title insurance. They were asking for 18 grand. This property is dirt road rural with 3 different family's within a half mile. once I got in the area I started looking for a true ride out the storm chunk of land. Found a old man who sells land when I bought a culvert. He offered me all the land I want for 750 a acre. Found a 10 acre chunk with a spring and huge trees and no people within a mile for 7500. Working on buying it now. Was told I overpaid for the 12000 dollar property. The secret is getting to the area you want to be and looking and asking around. You can't be in a rush and have to have the time to waste. I looked at over 20 property's in Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma. It also helps having no bills and living in a van to be able to travel around and look cheap. Hope this helps.

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