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Tuesday, September 20, 2016

forever gun book 3


THE FOREVER GUN BOOK 3
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ONE GUN ARSENAL

Before we go further into an additional arsenal which is borderline unnecessary, or at least extravagant for the outrageously poor, I’d like to cover extending the Arsenal Of One you already have to come close to the Forever Arsenal.  Some survivalists take great pride in their pallets or at least multiple ammo cans worth of ammunition.  Most likely these fools are Yuppie Scum Survivalists who think semi-auto’s are the only things saving them after the collapse.  As proof they will point to the Garand winning WWII for America.  A bit of hyperbole of course, as petroleum and factories beyond bombing range won that conflict for us, and somehow we forget the Soviets won the conflict with the crappy bolt action Mosin-Nagant’s, but they desperately need to believe they are indestructible with their talisman disguised as a plastic poodle shooter disguised as a real battle rifle.  The point is, they will be so busy spraying lead anytime some fool yells for cover or they hear a noise or someone somewhere in the immediate vicinity measured in map grid lengths opens fire on someone, their once quite impressive stockpile of ammunition will be depleted very, very quickly.

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I’m sorry to urinate on your leg, but semi’s are an Oil Age weapon fed by unlimited energy and we are entering into a POST Oil Age with zero energy available to you and There…Will…Be…NO…Ammo.  Ever.  Again.  Perhaps, against all odds, there might arise a cottage industry able to harness an extra amount of nitrates ( if THAT even happens ) and manage to not blow themselves up and somehow manufacture a small amount of smokeless powder again.  If so, it will never be enough to continue semi-automatic fire.  Both because there will not be enough, and because it will be such poor quality you daren’t use it in a repeater anyway.  For the collapse of civilization, semi automatic weapons are flipping retarded.  Everyone thinks they can impose fire discipline on themselves once they enter combat but it simply doesn’t work that way.  Unless you are trained, which is expensive in itself, you will be unable to counter panic and stress.  It is brain chemistry, not willpower.  Just as a teenage boy cannot think past a near constant erection, an inexperienced shooter in combat will be unable to manage his natural responses. 

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If you are in the majority, you must tamper your natural reactions with the proper tool.  In this case, a bolt action rifle.  And if you have such a rifle, by trying to stockpile the same amount of ammunition as the Yuppie Scum Semi Survivalist, you begin to approach a Forever Gun level of preparedness.  Of course, rifle ammunition and pistol ammo are completely different animals.  I doubt you could afford ten thousand rounds worth of reloading supplies.  Even assuming ten rounds use per case, using the Lee Loader so as to only neck size ( hence prolonging the case life ), you are still talking a lot of money.  A thousand cases, forty-fifty pounds of powder and ten thousand primers ( I’ll even assume a cheap lead source for pouring your own ) are, respectively, $500, $1,000 and $300.  You probably already own a nice amount of ammo, plus you might not believe you will ever come close to needing ten thousand rounds ( I have the factory rounds and reloading components totaling five thousand rounds for my battle rifle, but then, I also have the rimfire to back that up-and, granted, I’m probably far more paranoid than you ).  Obviously, you can only do as finances permit.  Here, my point is merely that for an estimated additional $500-$800 most folks already owning a rifle can come close to getting enough ammo to come close to a Forever Gun.

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The Forever Gun Arsenal is a mere concept, not a single one size fits all tool.  Almost like the scout rifle concept from Cooper.  I’m merely covering all aspects.  You don’t absolutely need a full size rifle round, either.  If you already own a 223, obviously the reloading expenses are far less.  I hope that you are using a suitable gun for your terrain, and that if you do happen to own an AR it has a heavy and long barrel and you will only be using it as a mid range sniper rifle, and if so for very little additional money you can seriously increase your round stockpile and come close to the Forever Gun.  I don’t necessarily advocate this route, of course.  Regardless of your style of rifle.  It is merely an option that might work better for you depending on your circumstances.  The whole concept must be frugal and by necessity that more often than not means a low power round such as rimfire or pistol ammo.  Just because of the cost factor.  Remember, this is FRUGAL survivalism.  NOT expensive Best Of Everything survivalism.  When you are unable to throw money at a problem, you end up making compromises.

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I’ve had readers suggest a hundred thousand rounds of ammunition.  Of course, taking in the correct context this isn’t insane.  We were talking of stockpiling for a lifetime ( literally ) supply of everything.  And taking decades to do it.  If you are disciplined and dedicated, even on very low wages this is more than feasible.  But I’m convinced that we have mere years rather than decades, and hence the IDEAL becomes far less feasible.  Ten thousand rounds, even in reloads, of best firearm ammunition, is most likely far from realistic.  Because not only are we fighting time to escape the ravages of civilization collapsing, we must also at the same time prepare to survive the collapse of our central bank controlled economy.  You don’t have enough time or money to do things the ideal way.  More often than not, you’ll need to accept Better Than Nothing.  While a 9mm round pretty much blows monkey balls, it will kick ass compared to NO modern firearm using smokeless powder.  While wheat kernels don’t compare well to freeze dried meals, the price is 1 to 20.  It is the choice between eating one great meal every three weeks or a mediocre meal every day.  Better Than Nothing is a vastly underrated concept for prepping.  Including everyone’s pet project, firearms.

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18 comments:

  1. Good, as always.

    Rather than buy more ammo this time around I bought some freeze dried food. Now hear me out. I'm already doing pretty well in the grains and beans department. This is bug out food where low weight and quick prepare times are more important than cost.

    I'm going on extended hunting trips next month to test guns, travel food and other gear. Nothing like the occasional real world test.

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    1. I don't completely hate freeze dried. If I was going on a regular camping trip I can't see NOT bringing it ( especially as I know what carting extra weight feels like ). And for bugging out, yes. Just as I see some limited uses for an AR, so too with freeze dried. I don't think I ever want to eat another MRE, though. :)

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  2. No one is more paranoid than you ? Hah, I give you exhibit A, as in myself lol. I've been paranoid since serving in the same outfit as Rawles....at least though, I went from the rangers to ASA. Unlike Rawles who was nothing more than a keyboard warrior lol.
    Yes , one day I'll regret feeding my wheat that got buggy to my chickens. Wishing that I'd kept it for myself eh ?
    One very important thing to remember, is to seal whatever ammo and powder etc. Which you have inside sealed containers with desiccant. It would be a shame to hoard all that stuff, only to find years down the road, it had went bad from moisture.

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    1. I shall endeavor to increase my paranoia, thank you very much :)

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    2. Oh, actually you're likely more paranoid than I. After all , I have like ten years or so on you in age. So perhaps I may be a little more complacent, knowing that I've not many more years left....?
      Sides, I call it prudence, not so much as paranoia.

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    3. Of course it is prudent to be paranoid.

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  3. You need to think more in terms of EROI in relation to population.

    The government is aware of what is happening with energy. Their plan is to "manage" population. Consider the demographics that are productive and necessary to continue society and it's clear you need young, strong, and fertile people. The older people (say 50 and over) are not necessary to society. They use resources (healthcare, food, energy) and provide a diminishing return on investment.

    The solution the government will follow is population management. They're already doing it with Obamacare. If you are elderly and need surgery, too bad. If you are 70 and have cancer, no treatment. Obamacare shows the government is aware and taking steps to deal with what they consider excessive population.

    So what will they do? Add additional methods to reduce population of those who are 50+.

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    1. You might be right, but possibly you are over thinking this. It is all about the money, and that is getting scarce. So cut back everywhere.

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  4. James,

    A bit off subject maybe, but I think you might well enjoy this:

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-used-to-write-apocalypse-survival-guides

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    1. I did read that article earlier. Very good, if only to confirm my dark suspicions on the crap they churn out in e-books.

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  5. Minion that's always spouting off about the Lee Loader here James. One option might be to pick up a pistol round that's chambered for a rifle as well. The .44 magnum/Special, .357 magnum/.38 special, and .45 long colt are all chambered in rifles now, though usually in lever actions. These rounds will work fine if you do not need to shoot beyond a few hundred yards. In my opinion, the .44 magnum/Special is the most versatile of the lot.

    My understanding on the neck size only of the Lee Loader, is that with the neck size, you can only reuse the shell in the gun that it was fired in. This reduces the versatility slightly in going with the one caliber option for both pistol and rifle, but you can always upgrade to a cheap Lee press with full size die options if you wanted to.

    With regards to the amount of ammunition needed, I think it's sort of a catch-22. If you need 10k rounds of ammo to survive, you are probably getting into enough gunfights that survival beyond the short term isn't likely. Unless of course you are the real life equivalent of television Matt Dillon, whom for 20 years, squared off against all manners of bad men and never lost. But I don't recommend that you try this at home kids. The only realistic solution is to hide way out in the middle of no where. Still; better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, to repeat the tired old saw for the umpteenth time.

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    1. I always say I'll die quickly, but I wouldn't if I didn't stockpile so much-then the fates would punish me with living.

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  6. reloads will last a long time. I have some .38 specials I reloaded in the mid 70's. they shoot just fine. They were stored in ammo cans but I did not use anything to seal the primer or bullet to the case.

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  7. To not be a collector I have a dozen or so different firearms. Thinking on a forever gun I am now wanting a 12 ga. single shot and an assortment of short lane adaptors. I have 7 different caliber's on hand now. The adaptors will mean I could use any through 1 gun or the ones I presently have. For 3 to 350 for gun and adaptors I exceed 10,000 rounds between the 7 calibers already on hand.

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  8. "Forever gun" means not a quantity of one gun but narrowing down to one precise type of firearms, so to be able to cannibalize parts.

    Regarding realoading ammo : complete ammunition stores energy AND time. You can have only a fraction of your stockpile in complete ammunition and the rest in components, to be assembled when you have time.

    If you stockpile 10,000 cartridges then you will eventually be left with 10,000 cases, whereas if you reuse the brass of the initial stash of, say, 2500 cartridges you save on purchasing the value associated to 7500 new brass cases.

    @Gary in Bama : adaptators are short-range only, you can't aim with them beyond pistol-shooting distances. Adaptators area logistical feature, allowing you to use captured brass or otherwise aquired (sales etc.) rather than letting it sit there unused.
    But you need to have a weapon precise enough as a main weapon, also because precision saves ammunition.

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    1. A precise type of firearms ( so as to cannibalize parts ) is for your MAIN gun ( two is one, one is none ). A forever gun is supposed to be cheap insurance, done as inexpensively as possible. So, singular unless you can afford more.

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    2. I have a precision rifle. The adaptor platform will allow me to consume my varied calibers and use scavenged or trade ammo later. If I go deer hunting with a 12 ga. fine but if all I can find is squirrel's I swap to 410 .

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  9. Bullet cases, powder, primers and BULLETS. Need those thingies too !

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