Sunday, February 4, 2018

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TRIBELESS 2

Yesterday we discussed how realistically few of us would ever actually join a tribe.  Even though tribalism is the only realistic successor to the nation state, right now few can join unless it is a criminal gang or a fundamentalist religion.  You can say you’ve joined a tribe, you and a few survivalist buddies, but I’d wager you and they are strictly individuals joining together for support, and no where near a tribe ( since in true tribes everyone must pledge fealty to the group and most of us are far too individualistic [ which while we celebrate the condition we forget that leaves us unsupported against the State ]). 

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So, rather than fight our life long conditioning and get you all pumped up to Go Tribal ( since it might be both unrealistic and dangerous at this point-the nation doesn’t like being dismissed and ignored, and will do something you won’t like to get your attention ), let’s just take a breath and explore the benefits of being tribeless.  I would wager a LOT of survivalists are introverts.  When you are an extrovert, you thrive and require group activity.  An introvert only gets as much social interaction as is minimally required ( obviously, this is a sliding scale with few being all the way either one.  Mostly, you are more of one than the other but not 100% of one ).

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Seeking out a group means winning and keeping their approval, and you are by nature more apt to Group Think because of just this.  Survivalist ( not pretty pony preppers ) by their nature must go AGAINST consensus because that is the only natural way to survive, after you’ve done the relatively simple math ( more population with less resources equal, what? ).  You know you need to flee people, not race towards them with open arms ( I’d wager those able to go rural are the introverted while those seeking reasons to stay urban are more extroverted.  Just think about it.  It isn’t a criticism, but an explanation.  You fear leaving people-it is in your nature ).

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And introverts are probably the last ones to WANT to join a tribe.  There is strength in unity, but there is also the need to socialize with other people, and that SUCKS, yo! ( the closer to the collapse we come, the more I find myself wanting to limit interaction with others, and more I stay away from folks the more relieved I am that I can stop putting so much effort into pretending I care about other people-now that I’m getting a taste of isolation I’m liking it more and more ).  We only socialize because we are forced to.  Given our “druthers”, our circle of people allowed into our bubbles would be far below tribal levels.

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The excuse always given about why we should Tribe Up is something along the lines of “you have to sleep sometime”, or “no man is an island” or “you can’t do it all yourself”.  And while that may be true on its face, a bit of digging reveals it to be the mad lunatic barking of an extrovert justifying his pathological need to have other people around him.  You know what I say about optimists and pessimists.  They will, with unshakeable religious fervor, always find the facts to support their philosophy.  The same with introverts and extroverts.  They will pick and choose the facts to support their respective illnesses ( neither is good or bad but both are illogical ).

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But let me ask you this.  Our society, as a whole, what would you think it is?  And extrovert or an introvert?  Sure, most of the population lives in urban cores, so you could say we crave interacting with our fellows, but do we really?  We live close together but know very few of them.  I only know my neighbors enough to know I want nothing to do with them.  Society as a whole is a bit introverted.  Our infrastructure is build to isolate us from one another.

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Automobiles, the suburbs, working in isolation, TV watching over going to the movies, eating in our cars instead of a restaurant, Internet instead of Meatspace.  Yes, the extroverts put more attention into friends and social activities, but as a whole we are isolated from one another.  And since our culture and infrastructure is already set up this way, how hard is it to drop out of society as much as possible and stay isolated and more importantly, NEED far fewer people to survive? 

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The answer is it is almost impossible to form a tribe and simplicity itself to Go Hermit.  The only consideration is minimizing the density of people ( also being urban hermits ) around you.  Since culturally we have isolated ourselves, it is easy to find all the resources we need to replace people.  I’m not saying this is a great idea long term, but for now it will allow us to avoid a tribe.  Because while a tribe is a great tool for survival, post-carbon fuels, before and during a die-off and shortly after tribes can be counterproductive. 

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In a nutshell, members of the Free Stuff Army want you to be communal with your stuff, and only YOU worked hard for Your Stuff.  So screw them!  If you, AND they, had always equally shared, that would be one thing.  But they didn’t.  They are parasitical.  Forming a tribe now is all obligation and no reward for you, because they won’t strive to protect you even after you’ve fed them and given them weapons.  They got what they wanted from you and will just let you die afterwards.  So why start a tribe?  A small group of like minded family and friends, that is one thing ( we can’t go Full Hermit, only Partial ).  But screw being part of a larger group, a tribe.

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I promised we’d explore HOW to go tribeless and instead I babbled on.  Tomorrow, this subject gets wrapped up so I’ll have to deliver then.  I’ll tell you this much-you’ll probably enjoy it immensely, as I admit machinery and internal combustion engines and other robots are a great way to substitute Oil Age Tools for other people.  But I’m also partial to rental rather than ownership, to keep things frugal.  Well, a combination of initial rental followed up by manual tool completion. 

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16 comments:

  1. Great theme Jim. I am an urban introvert. Although I must interact on the job (use experiences as o.j.t /reality checks) and in commerce,I pretty much cloister myself to reduce exposure/risk from the masses. I stay single (thank the lord! No drama, my money stays my money) nearly friendless as that can be dicey too. The lifetime of such 'odd' behavior has groomed me to be very resilient and self reliant. I also am "pre-prepared" to say f-it, and go all Galt if necessary, or roll out on short notice without any nagging or crying in the background during a crunch. Better than nothing pre-positioning / pre-conditioning in a still functioning economy/society.

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    1. You could easily get really cheap junk land really, really far off the grid ( miles from a power pole or paved road ) and have little issue adapting except financially.

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    2. From what I've understood, humans do best in groups of 150 or less (think little house on the prairie tv series). The mouse utopia dude's experiment, more or less confirmed this. This was likely the typical population of most townships in the 19th and early 20th century. The residents in these communities grew up together, had children that grew up together, attended church and other social functions together. They also often helped one another out during trying times, such as you still see today among certain groups such as the Amish. You don't really have that kind of social cohesion anymore, and theirin lies the problem.

      Ditto on the junk land for 9:04. Sounds like he's got the right idea, but he will need a place to go if he ever loses his job (like I did) and can't replace it.

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  2. Another deep blog entry, You have a great feeling for how society works, and will work!(maybe i am just fooling myself because I agree with you!). I am amazed by your comments you get....Smart people!

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    1. Without smart readers, I would go backwards. The downside of course is by the nature of things I can't have very many readers :)

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  3. 5:15-I'm having an issue responding on your thread-hopefully you see this. I think 150 is the maximum. I believe we do much better, cohesion wise, with far less. From the military, I'd call anything past a squad workable but less than ideal. I didn't know folks past faces in a platoon and not even that in a company. Yes, a lot had to do with schedules and such, and that is also true in the number of folks in a job, but I never had any inclination to socialize, either, past a very small unit.

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    1. Yes, I saw your reply. I do like that you take the time to reply to each comment, and it adds a nice touch to this blog.

      On a different note. Is it just me, or is there anyone else here that couldn’t give a shit less about the super-bowl, or those stupid ads that these corporate idiots pay millions of dollars for a 30 second spot? I’ve already boycotted any shows or movies produced past about the 1970’s, and most of what I watch is even older than that. I get tired of someone thinking that their idea of an “enlightened America” is mine as well ( Hint: It’s not, you sick bastards! ).

      And while I’m not opposed to the occasional “nip”, I’m also starting to hate drunks. Loud, stupid, obnoxious people. There, that feels better 😀

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    2. I have to reply to comments, to encourage them. They are most of my article ideas ( I would spend far more time searching thirty prepper blogs and get nothing, than what three minions can inspire ). Hell, I didn't even know it was Super Bowl yesterday until one of the renters came out for a smoke ( I was washing the car-fifty degrees out! ). Football sucks, but you have to admire the watches who are politically incorrect enough to boycott the idiot "kneelers".

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  4. Yeah, guys, think along the lines of company strong number. You will need a base number of individuals to allow for specialty occupations to be supported. Dentists, doctors, electrical-mechanics. Farmers, rancher/livestock, veternarians. You will need enough built in demand so Hop-sing the merchant can be go between for light trading that,yes, will be necessary as soon as the dust settles. But that is as long as every one is spread out in area not up each others ass and behaves real christian like.

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    1. I don't agree with you. Specialized occupations, if they don't have the stockpiled food, are just a drain on you. You're going to feed a dentist for a year before he needs to pull a tooth? To feed a mechanic, you need other specialists to grow your fuel, then you need more soldiers to protect all that extra land, etc. If you aren't an agricultural empire, you can't afford specialists.

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    2. Generalists will be far more valued than any one specialist. Perhaps a veternarian or herbalist might be about as specialized as one may get. Even those would have many side skills.

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    3. The age of specialists has passed. Energy surplus allows for specialists, not energy contraction, and we've been in contraction for some time. I know more about history, in general, than a historian specializing in 6th century underwater basket weaving. A generalist could know more about disease prevention or cure than some doctor only specializing in operating on the foot.

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  5. My tribe is my kids and grand kids about 20 of us. All except the two youngest like to shoot and understand prepping. We work together now and it would be hard to bring in others from the 'outside' and fit them in except should a new boy or girl friend shows up and they would be absorbed if they fit. My granddaughters have high standards. We will try to hide and let the die off happen. Guns for all and we will not be taken over easy. We socialize within our group more so than outside now so how much more so hiding on our junk land. I don't see big tribes as working with today's thinking but years after the collapse they will.

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    1. The old school breeders with old school values do have a decided advantage here, and are superior to tribe. Long term, you just need tribe, really, so as to keep the gene pool cleansed. The closer the males are related the better their combat efficiency, anyway, traditionally.

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  6. I think we need to distinguish the Tribe vs the Family vs the Clan. Family and Clan imply interrelations of blood or marriage or strong close emotional ties. Tribes are a little less so, and seem to me to consist of several related clans or families. Please define your terms for us.

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    1. My terms are the same, I just don't usually use "clan". It fits, but it probably more applicable in the South than anywhere else due to our mobility as a nation. So I don't really see much need to use. It will become important a generation or two after the collapse but not now or in the near future.

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