Wednesday, February 7, 2018

cyclic collapse 1 of 2


CYCLIC COLLAPSE

A minion mentioned the book “Twilight Of Abundance” by David Archibald when we were discussing the possibility of Global Cooling ( verses Gore Warming ).  I’m glad I bought the book and it was worth the $7 delivered for a used copy, but I’d warm everyone off of buying their own copy.  This guy has a lot of holes in his education, as bright as he might be in some fields.  The degree of propagandized jingoistic ‘Murica First attitude he applies to his analysis is breathtakingly moronic.

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An 18 year old just escaping from Public Holding Indoctrination Cells might look at the world in simplistic two dimensional terms, stating Germany was just jealous and mean and a bully and they started both wars, but I’d expect a so called expert selling me a book to have advanced from that point.  Well, ‘Ol Davy Boy has not.  That was essentially what he said, as he claimed China was acting just like Germany had.  I’m not stating that this invalidated his cooling thesis, because he seemingly is knowledgeable in climate science ( or not, but it really doesn’t matter since everyone and his dog, and the dogs religious leader, seems to be an expert in climate science anymore ).

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I’m merely saying you shouldn’t pay to read an author that doesn’t realize his limitations.  Just because you got paid for your views on finance and climate science doesn’t make you an expert.  It makes you a paid shrill.  But that also includes Al Gore, doesn’t it?  The sad fact is that both sides of the weather change debate are in someone’s pocket.  The deniers benefit the corporations wanting cheaper commodities without taxes or restrictions ( like any restrictions on polluting our drinking water.  Cancer was widespread prior to the factories moving to China.  If we last long enough economically you’ll see that return here ) and the Warmers want lots of government control like the good little communist dingus suckers that they are.

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And it doesn’t matter past an intellectual level.  Either way, warming or cooling, our food production is humped.  Not that you even know how that will play out as you can’t even find out the truth about our food imports.  Government agencies tasked with lying to avoid any panic claim a mere 3% of our food is imported, alarmists say 40%.  Yikes!  But, no matter, the oil imports drying up will kill our production anyway ( it just would have been nice to get solid information ).  Along with the end of the PetroDollar giving us hyperinflation.

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The reason I felt the book wasn’t a complete waste of time was that there were plenty of good facts and analysis ( if anything, he didn’t make a strong enough case for complete pessimism and panic-so you can’t claim he was too alarmist ).  He downplayed the oil crisis but still gave out enough facts for those reading between the lines, and he was pretty good on the state of the global grain production and reserves.  One clue he dribbled out before quickly returning to his less informed hobby horses was a couple of studies on Animal Model Cyclic Population Collapse.

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The Canadian snowshoe hare in several studies dropped to ten percent carrying capacity of the land after overpopulation.  Considering that the other model studied was reindeer on an island suffering a complete 100% die-off, that ten percent of carrying capacity sounds pretty darn good.  It might be optimistic, given refugees leaving one area for another ( although one hopes the studies took that into account-no details were given ), but at least it gives you a baseline for planning and study. 

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One oft mentioned figure is the American Indian die off from White Boy diseases.  It was estimated that roughly a hundred and ten million Indigs lived in the Americas prior to Columbus and after smallpox and other epidemics went through the lands about 7 million survived ( although figures are all over the map, this seems to be the better estimate ).  This would be in line with European epidemics, where the initial die-off is up to 90%, then each fresh outbreak of the same disease kills far less as immunity is built up.

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So it would seem that both disease outbreaks and overpopulation die-off’s have the same 90% casualty rate, although you need to keep that 10% of carrying capacity figure in mind.  A plague kills 90%.  Overpopulation leading to famine kills 90% of the INITIAL population, not the current one just prior to the collapse.  In other words, how many rabbits or people were there BEFORE the food supply went into decline, subtract 90%.  The 110 million estimated inhabiting of two continents were obviously living above the carrying capacity of the land ( the Mayans and Anazasi had proven that some centuries prior ).  

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From the Mississippi Mound civilization to the Amazon agricultural system using biochar to the aquaculture and potato plantations of the Inca’s and the Mexico City floating islands for crops, everywhere the civilizations were ingeniously growing far more than was normal under less centralized conditions.  The Inca’s were using imported sardines as part of their fertilizers and the Amazonians were probably deforesting past replacement.  One could even hazard a guess that the Aztec sacrifices were not wasteful due to religion or that the elite were reverting to cannibalism, but that the corpses were badly needed fertilizer for failing systems.

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The only difference between the Americas and the rest of the world were the lack of metal and domesticated animals ( and the fact they had the least effective grain for maintaining a civilization ).  Culturally they were the same as everyone else.  Reproduce past carrying capacity and then die horribly.  Our colonialism just hastened the process, but they must have already been in overreach.  I bring that up to discuss the true number of folks that the land has the capacity of supporting.

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With trade.  Which is different than without trade.  However, I’ve gone from trying to wrap up this subject to instead expanding it, so we continue tomorrow.

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21 comments:

  1. Hmmm. 110 million for both continents. @ 600 million (IIRC) just for north america right now (including mexico, USA, canada) So after the end of die off we are talking somewhere LESS than 60 Million total between the three nations. Even if the bulk of survivors are in the USA that still means the USA has to LOOSE over 240 MILLION people in less than 100 years (5 generations) more likely about 50 years. Rounding for easy math gives us 250 million to die in less than 50 years or a total of about 5 million dead a year over and above current death rates. How the druid dude can think that such a die off can happen without violence escapes me. The USA breeding rate is less than replacement, Trump leaning conservatives wouldn't mind nearly eliminating immigration and get more vehement about that the worse the economy gets. And a significant portion of baby boomers are getting grey and old. But it still isn't enough to get to that +5 million a year that will be needed for the USA to reach the highest possible PODA carrying capacity. IF there was any secret cabal of illuminati that had the wits to see this coming, I would think they would move to setup some sort of controlled poisoning, plague, or war to eliminate the excess population, the sooner started the better the likely outcome for them and the world as a whole.

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    1. I cover this tomorrow. Remember, die off to 60 from 600 is only disease. You need to know the carrying capacity of the land, PRIOR to overpopulation, then take 90% off THAT.

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    2. I read that a plague was attempted with the Mexican (pig) flu. The first vaccines were sent to the Czech republic then Canada. The Czech's decided to look at the vaccine before giving it out. They discovered it did not contain a killed virus but a mix of live pig and human flu. It had to have been an attempt to produce a killer virus. If more than one type of flu infect a host, the virus's will exchange genes, creating a new type of virus. Pig flu was not very contagious but deadly. The human flu was not very deadly but highly contagious. A perfect mix to kill a lot of people.

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    3. I remember joking they started the pig flu in Mexico just as Obamma was visiting there, but knew no details ( I WAS joking-why kill the perfect globalist commie meat puppet? ). I can believe what you are saying. After hearing about the crap they give as bonuses in the shots to Africans, which to my paranoid mind seems as deliberate genocide, I won't get shots myself.

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  2. Back to tribes though. It occured to me that people are into groups 'Us' vs 'Them', at every level. The advantage to being the the group 'Us' is that they are likely to extend you aid HOWEVER they are also likely to expect reciprocation and aid of the sort THEY want ("go to the front lines and fight off the hordes with this pointy rock! we will watch over your farm while you do so...") and refusal of such aid will brand you a TRAITOR to be dealt with more harshly than even enemy 'Them'... So staying hermit until the 'us' groupings have gotten a clue and worked out how things work makes a decent amount of sense. Then you have to buy your way in to a sort of 'associate' membership over time.

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    1. Yes, I think going hermit makes sense for the die-off. Now, I'm beginning to think it makes sense far past that. You are correct about feedback. Hating outsiders you can't retaliate immediately. The scapegoat is right there and defenseless and probably unaware.

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    2. Exactly. And worse for the scapegoat - they may have infringed on another completely unaware.

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  3. The modern society/western models of operation that has evolved over the last two to three centuries (short time period in historical contexts) has allowed a massive planetary population explosion, and raping of resources. A cyclical collapse is a near certainty as the symptoms of the disease-rot-degradation is all around one if he just ignores modern distractions and sees the forest for the trees. What the triggering event or timeline of start is elusive to an average minion's observations. (it started already, just not yet feeling-seeing effects as we collectively are so bloated with good-and-plenty it is not yet painful, or been hit up the side of our head as a clue. I always quote, "you were created or evolved with two eyes and two ears so as to look and listen first to learn.Instead of running off with your one mouth". Missing important clues or information is more deadly than not taking safeguards or preparing. Listen to Jim, heed or ignore at your own peril.

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    1. I think we ARE seeing the effects of the collapse but they are very well hidden. We are so used to parasites living off the surplus we don't see how the parasites took over and killed the host, as the illusion of life is still there. Medical industry, learning industry, transportation industry. We don't think it is that bad, even though it is the end, because we are used to panicking ( even as the host carries on, even if at lower efficiency levels ).

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  4. Land, Water, Food, Ammo (even if you are a felon you can probably buy arrows for a bow or two). Climate change endangers all of these necessities of prepping (and living). Land is endangered by wildfires and floods, water from droughts and temperature extremes, Food from all the above plus the likely breakdown of transport and financing. Ammo from breakdowns of transport and financing. Get plenty of all now while you can.

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    1. I would imagine a felon could just pour his own AR lower receiver. Next week, a long discussion on the AR. The above makes one very good case for an otherwise mediocre weapon.

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    2. Also, don’t forget that you can buy the muzzle-loaders right through the mail, in all but a few states (Michigan, New Jersey, and NYC as well). Technically, they have been declassified as a “firearm” but it stands to say that if one were a felon, that they would still not wish to be caught with one.

      According to my friends, Bo and Luke Duke, convicted felons can own Bows and arrows. But since the Duke boys have been banished from history by the pc police, this cannot be confirmed :D (I jest, but we’ll get the last laugh come collapse time). But it wouldn’t matter anyways, since there’s tons of bow and arrow making how to’s out there, and the materials could never be outlawed. For a little extra “punch” from your arrows, consult with John Rambo, or Donald Eugene Sisco, within the pages of the poor man’s James Bond, p. 75. Think of it as sort of a “liberator pistol” to acquire that enemy AR :D

      http://rambo.wikia.com/wiki/Explosive_Arrows

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    3. Liberator Bow. I like that-good idea ( even I tend to sometimes not simplify enough and cling to old ideas ).

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    4. A fellon in this day can get anything he wants.
      Let's tell it like it is.

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    5. Sure, illegally. I think we speak here more of the unjustly convicted not wishing to associate with those that can land him back in prison.

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    6. "I would imagine a felon could just pour his own AR lower receiver."
      Or purchase an 80% complete version (which is not classified as a firearm) and finish it into a functional lower (though technically that might put a felon in unlawful possession of a weapon - not sure, I'm not an expert on firearms law).

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    7. I've no experience with 80%'ers. They could be easy as pie. If you only need one rifle, it would be cheaper to get the 80%. But it you want a lot of recievers at like $30 or something apiece, pouring seems to be the way to go ( some you pour get ruined, you must figure that into the calculation ). I wouldn't worry which is better, as I have no plans to try to melt one by using it as a SAW.

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  5. Actually, I think someone did that on YT. I think he used beer cans even.

    I can't see NOT going all lone wolf come the melt down. In this age of hyper-me first, me second, and me last, I learned never to trust anyone, no matter if family or close friends. I had too many steal from me or even get me in trouble over something they have done. No, I'll find some nice place in the cedar swamps here in northern MI and wait it out.

    Probably die there from my heart problems after a while, but better then the stew pot.

    Oh, I don't know if you have seen this guys channel on YT,
    but he's a canuck and really knows his Enfields like the back of his hand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2wEHOLpv5c

    He almost, almost, makes me want an Enfield.

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    1. I tried watching just now, as I've tried in the past. This guy is simply just too boring. He sounds about like I would, trying to vocalize my thoughts. I can type with one finger better than I can talk ( talking gets in the way of my thoughts, which is why I don't Dragon Speak). I just can't take waiting for him to stumble onto his thoughts. Also, I don't know about the Canadian markets, but the main point of cost savings is now moot. Enfield, SKS, AR all pretty much cost the same. Only a hunting rifle is still a good deal, but they can be delicate wallflowers compared to military stuff. I will never change my mind-the Enfield is THE best survival rifle. I just can't recommend it anymore for newbies due to price increases.

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  6. In States where no one asks for ID or to sign a list, a felon can buy ammo. Just pay cash, and move the ammo directly to your secret squirrel hiding place. Felons do not want to be found in "possession" of firearms or ammo during the current era of "Law Enforcement", but as has been noted on this list in the past, there will be plenty of ammo-free firearms across the formerly-fruited plains of the fUSA. I like to think of waterproofed ammo (in bury-able cans) as slightly-fluffier-than-silver precious metal. An M-60 can can hold a nice mix of .22LR, 9x19, .38sp+P, .223 (useful in civilian and military chambers), .308Win, .30-'06 (147-150 grain, M1-G standard), and maybe a 20-pack of .243 for the boltie "scout rifle" so popular 2 decades ago. You don't need lots of each (20? of the large ones, lots of nine and twennytoo)to make any found firearm useful.

    If you "just happen to be" not-yet a felon, buying ammo is easy-peasy and not so expensive if you nibble at the problem as part of a stocking program (on-sale season!). With plenty of time for packing and placement, what I would worry about is losing the document with recovery directions. Caching and recovery is an entire FM in itself!

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    1. I still think Eddie "The Wire" is a better cache manual than an FM, but at least the FM is priced better. Perhaps it is the same info, I've never looked. But from all the FM's I've seen, watching paint dry is less boring. A civilian book at least is readable. I like your comparison of ammo to silver.

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