Wednesday, January 31, 2018

panic 3 of 3


PANIC 3
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note: want junk land under a grand? click here This link is at my web site and in a few days will be on the list of info and links I place at the end of each article ( you know, the blurb begging for author support and listing my books and Wal-Mart wheat and my web site and etc. ).  As of today, almost 600 listings.  Not sure what your excuse is now.  I don't even have 600 minions.  Each one of you could buy a lot, for under the price of an ounce of gold.  Just saying.  A hearty thank you for the minion shout out. ( PS-the article below was written before I got the above link.  You'll see what I mean in a minute ).
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The last installment of the bare bones equipment to get now, in case the economy takes a big squishy and you lose the financial ability to prep, even as the damn government still refuses to crash and burn itself.  Lots of food, even if it is that wheat you don’t particularly want to eat for 90% of your calories.  And lots of ammunition even if you have to sell some guns to finance that ( ammo is at better prices now, as companies continue to bankrupt as their customer base shrinks as unemployment stays at insane levels.  Even if the ghetto masses keep getting their welfare in the next Greater Depression after the economy dies, you’ll still need extra ammo for the increased crime.  Don’t have so little on hand that this dries up prior to the apocalypse ).

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The food costs you $100 more per person per year.  If you can’t get that, you can’t pretend you are taking this stuff seriously ( yes, I understand short term financial difficulties.  We all have them.  Yet, haven’t I been harping on wheat for decades?  If you are new here, haven’t I been doubling down on harping on wheat for many months now since the last wheat crop failure? ).  The ammo is free ( ish ).  The junk land can be had cash on the barrelhead for $500 or so, or if not a mere $100 down payment and $100 a month for the next two years ( paid off quickly with this years tax return, or whatever ).

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Junk land is important, if you don’t already have a destination.  You don’t need to live there, you just need it to be available for when you have to.  If your plan is to become homeless, you are a moron.  For ten percent of the cheapest new car you can buy, you’ll find parcels of junk land all day long.  The only shortages is land below the $2k mark.  Two to three grand, there have got to be thousands available ( okay, perhaps only hundreds, but if you buy now before the general population rush you can score one of those bad boys ).

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You can look on E-Bay, in the olden days one of the few sources, but I’d recommend going to your trusty search engine and typing in “land for sale Your State”.  All kinds of companies that don’t advertise on E-Bay will pop up.  Now, the one good thing about E-Bay ( amongst the many bad things ) was that they had a half assed policy in place to combat fraud.  These other companies you’ll need to beware somewhat.  Just remember, if it’s too good to be true ( like, $3k land in Florida by the water ) it probably is.  Ideally, you check the records in the county the land is in to make sure the title is clear ( the bad thing about county tax sales is the owner has nine years to repay the back tax to you and take the land back-the good thing is you are getting land from the county and you know it isn’t a scam ).

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So, at most you have a $100 a month new expense.  But why are you complaining?  Doesn’t the thought of debt free land with an annual property tax of $30 excite you sexually?  If not, why not?  This is your key to independence.  Worst case, a one room cabin costs you under $500 ( use the dome connectors-link is at my web site-and cover with chicken wire and drape with cement soaked sheets or blankets from the thrift store, then line with insulation.  Coat the outside against moisture ) if you don’t have anything else.

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Junk land isn’t just for the apocalypse anymore.  It is great for elongated unemployment, vacations, it is a Screw You tool you can use against your boss, retirement and something to hand down to your kids ( unless yours, like mine, think dad is a crazy bastard and see no value in it ).  If you don’t have any, you are the bankers bitch.  Easy choice.  You’ll keep buying automobile after car after motor vehicle, ten thousand dollars a year after gas and insurance and payments.

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( or, if you do your own repairs on a debt free one, three to five grand a year on insurance and gas.  And yes, three or five to ten grand a year is an investment on a tool to get to a job, so it isn’t a frivolous waste of money.  What I’m trying to get at is that for the equivalent cost of ONLY one years gas money you can have paid for land the rest of your life.  That gas money costs the same year after year after year.  If you bought one car your whole life, with no repair costs factored in, after forty years of working your transportation costs at a minimum would be $140,000.  That is assuming low mileage every year on a Toyota or something that would last a long time.  But for $3,000 you would have almost zero yearly cost for shelter ).

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If you don’t get it, good luck keeping up that $200 A MONTH property tax on your mortgaged house.  Now that the basics are out of the way, you’ll need a few more odds and ends.  Even if Sawyer’s company is full of crap and you can’t get 70,000 gallons out of their $20 water filter, I can’t see you NOT getting a good ten grand out of one.  How long do you think $60 worth of filter would last you?  Don’t skimp on buying a few, for years of family drinking enjoyment ( you can sand filter, UV sterilize and solar heater all other water uses such as dishes and washing, just using the Sawyer for drinking.  What are you waiting for?  Buy through my link over on the right ).

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All the other stuff?  Thrift store clothes, wool for winter, cheapo knives, plastic footwear ( soccer sliders are still $6 at Family Dollar and I get years out of each pair, wearing them 90% of the time to elongate the life of my the regular insanely priced footwear ), manual tools.  You either already have or can get cheaply.  If you can spend an extra $100 a month ( alongside the land payment ) on the dome connectors and extra wheat and the tools and clothing and all the extra equipment, you’ll definitely have everything in this investment paid off in little to no time at all.

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Yes, this is supposed to be an immediate supply/tool stockpile in the case the economy crashes tomorrow.  And ideally you shouldn’t have to make payments ( $100 wheat, $500 land, $500 shelter, $1k all misc. items-if you have two grand in savings and can find tax land nearby ).  But if you have to because you’ll need to spend more, at least hustle to pay if off all as early as possible ( you might even want to forego the cheap tax land, assuming worse case the original owner shows back up, and invest the extra two or three grand in Peace Of Mind ). 

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None of this is a waste of money, like home insurance.  Home insurance costs every year.  This is a one time insurance cost.  Even the junk land, if you find a better lot, can be sold.  If you sell at a loss, at least you are getting karma points for selling to someone who greatly benefits from the affordable cheap land.  And look at it this way.  For under the cost of one FLIR scope that can easily break, you’ve just alleviated almost the entire issue of an economic collapse ( well, at least the important issues such as immediate food and legal squat land ).

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30 comments:

  1. WHAT...give up my FLIR scope for junk land are you crazy .LOL good info and good link. I know some people don't want to be tied leagaly to their junk land and I understand their reason's. BUT keep in mind that if things take a big squishy you might need to have proof that you are headed across country to your "home".

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    1. Good point. Good points for and against. Like most things, one presumes. Damn the lack of black and white!

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  2. On the subject of transportation, Scooters (or mopeds as some call them) are not a bad choice in states that allows them. Some states don't require insurance, a token license, and don't require registration.

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    1. Even an expensive Honda moped ( which will end up the cheapest given its longevity-but not everyone has the up front investment ) is cheap enough compared to most forms of motor transport. If you are mechanical, a Chinese moped is one quarter the price ( you'll be working on it immediately ). If you want exercise, an electrical assist bicycle is half the ChiCom price.

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    2. “Sorta wants to get a motorcycle, but is afraid of them” minion here. I guess you can no longer get the old 70’s style pedal mopeds new anymore. As Wrenchr2 has pointed out, the term moped has been hijacked, and now moped means a 50cc scooter. I have seen the old 70’s style mopeds at Ebay before though, but I can’t say what it would be like to find parts for one if you ever had to? I looked at a new Honda Metropolitan 50cc scooter more recently, and they were around $4K new. That’s your frugal property plan right there, including land, wheat, thrift store clothes, and a crappy gun. The key is to find a used, but in good shape Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, etc. The Chinese scooter would probably work for some, but only for the more mechanically inclined chaps out there.

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    3. Damn, for the price of a Honda scooter you get, as you said:
      Junk land $1k
      Cabin $500
      5 years wheat $500
      1 SKS carbines $800
      3500 rounds ammo$700
      Lots of misc. $500
      PV panels & batt$400

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    4. 1970's to early 80's Honda Trail 90. Has a high and low range transmission switching lever with an automatic clutch, so easy to ride. Caution, one of the early 80's models only had the high range transmission (don't buy it). Lots of torque on the low end, even if you bottom out the suspension with heavy loads. I think it has a top speed of around 52 mph under ideal conditions and has factory specs of 175 mpg at a constant speed of 25 mph. A nice one is around $1500, you can still get parts because they have a cult-like following, and they are simple to work on.
      Peace out

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    5. It’s actually kind of inspiring. For the cost of a medium priced vehicle, you can own a homestead, at old timey homestead prices. Sure, the caveat is that you will be living like a pioneer, but considering that the alternative is wage slavery, is that really so bad? Your mention of the $200 a month property tax, is quite close to what my mother has to pay with her limited retirement income per month on the farm. My Elko land is $15 a year. It may as well be on Mars, but for that minimal cost, I’m willing to overlook a lot, and will happily haul water, have solar power, etc.

      I know people that drop on the cost of a full size 4 wheel drive pickup, on what a modest home costs in another state. The out of state home might be in a less than desirable place, without a lot of jobs, but considering that your cheap home is paid for outright, you can work at the local Piggly Wiggly, and still get by just fine. A fella would probably even have enough left over to afford a sack of flour, to roll his Piggly Wiggly shaped wife in (cue up an image of Mama June here) in order to find the wet spot :D

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    6. If my dads 80's Honda Goldwing is an indication, there are parts but they take some time to get here, for the old Trail bike*
      On my list, the SKS should have said $400, not $800. I originally listed two, but power and misc. is more important than that.
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      Without a house or tax payment, and just bike maintenance, you could easily work just two days a week so getting into town won't be so bad. Over $400 a month minimum wage, and you can max out your deductions for little tax withholding. Jobs like part timers now, as there are no bennies. Have a craft to be a "starving artist" and you could have a girlfriend and spend that night in town.

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    7. I remember reading a few years ago that you could buy a bolt in replacement for the Honda trail 90's and 50's from China that has a 4 speed transmission and is 125 cc. something like 400 dollars.

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  3. $800 for an SKS?

    Hell, you could get a Ruger Scout Rifle in .308 for that! Or A Mossberg MVP Patrol in .308, or an Ruger American Ranch in 7.62X39.

    No reason to pay that much for a crappy SKS!

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    1. No, sorry, my bad. I original had 2 SKS's listed and forgot to change the price. Semi, or bolt, and a bayonet and half the price of an AR. They are also more accurate than an AK, since they are Yugo manufacture, not ChiCom.

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    2. Dang, for a second I thought I was really behind the times!

      But I don't think you can get a Yugo for under $500 now a days unless someone desperate.

      I actually think the Mossberg Patrol is the best bet out there now. Easy to get .308, takes M1A/M14 as well as LR-308/SR-25-style(5 & 10rd) magazines, easily scoped with Picatinny rail, and around $525.

      I've seen used ones for $450-475 with a couple mags thrown in.

      Don't get the 5.56. It needs a few after market upgrades that add another $150 to it.

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    3. Here is what I was seeing for the SKS:
      https://www.classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-for-sale

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    4. $425+20 Shipping+20 Transfer =$465

      About a $50 difference.

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    5. Usually when discussing gun prices, I omit the tax, shipping, background check. If one says the price is "retail" then you can omit shipping cost, otherwise all prices are jobber with the additional costs assumed.

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  4. Some time back you did a write-up of your evaluations of the sub-divisions around Elko. Have you ever considered updating that with experience you've gained now that you've lived there for some time? The Elko land guy you link to still has some plots but they are listed by subdivision.

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    1. The evaluation was done by a minion guest writer who scouted out the land for a tax sale. Me, without a car, couldn't do half as well, so it stands as better work. Go to the county website and find the listed subdivisions, then get on Google Earth. Almost as good as being there, other than the road conditions. I'll help. They are ALL washboard, if they aren't county maintained. I imagine the county lists those also.

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    2. Thanks! I'd forgotten that a loyal minion had penned that article.

      I was looking at the plots near Elko, as close to the river as possible. Looks like most of the good ones have already been sold off or are simply not on the market. I'll continue with the Google Earth route as you suggested. And as you've noted before, the washboard roads a great reason to own a bike and not a car that the roads will quickly beat to death.

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    3. Smile4U used to have lots real close to the river. I've done business with them before.
      http://smile4uinc.com/property.php?stateid=29&type=listing

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    4. They have some nice-looking parcels at decent prices - thank you for the link!

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  5. have wondered .... let's say I have a plot of land all bought and paid for, even able to manage property tax and upkeep ... fine and dandy

    still tied to job that requires staying put ... and insufficient resources to even consider retirement .... in a nutshell ... a wage slave

    thinks get screwy to point of saying "ah, screw it ... we're outta here"... head out to said plot of land only to find squatters ... fight it out or what?

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    1. At the point of a gun you tell them to move down the road. They were already squatting on yours, they can squat elsewhere. Better would be a yearly vacation to keep an eye on it. Don't know how feasible it would be, which is why I recommend if you can to move to a city and get a new job, a lot closer to your land. I know, a lot of this is NOT ideal and a huge PITA. Just less than if you kept things worse as they are now-the land too far for comfort.

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    2. yeah, I hear ya

      at point of no really good options, varying degrees of FUBAR for when the collapse already started gets to bite me in the ass ...

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  6. Minion ideas: Maybe secure some junk land. And prefab or throw up some sturdy sheds on it that don't contain any high value items. Solid types that won't be looted and carted off (cement footing pillar/pads) and hold up to a few season's hard weather. If a neighbor is in line of sight enlist with bribe/gifting to watch over in your absence as you'd be an allied asset upon arrival. It could serve as a base of operations to transition into as you relocate. Storage during multiple quick cargo runs to get your kit in place. Bum dwelling as you hobo camp there. The collapse may be a creeping one to allow you to creep into your defcon position, in the background of chaos. Jim, well done series. (Share some after action reports of the B-POD in you absence/tending to)

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    1. All my neighbors are either nice guys, or much richer than I, so they either keep an eye on or don't want anything there ( knock on wood ). The wind is the biggest problem, but I'm used to that.

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  7. Here's a good idea for housing:

    The Microhouse: A Small Home You Can Build by
    Bill Kaysing

    http://billkaysing.com/downloads/The_Microhouse_A_Small_Home_You_Can_Build.pdf

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    1. I'm partial to the dome kit. $110 for the plates, then you just add a few 2x4's and ferrocement. But thanks for the link-I'll put it on my virtual stack of books :)

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  8. "something to hand down to your kids ( unless yours, like mine, think dad is a crazy bastard and see no value in it )." This is EXACTLY why it is a good idea to put your land in the name of an LLC, charge yourself rent for use of the land just sufficent to cover property taxes and LLC costs, then deposit the whole thing into a non-revocable trust with the executive officers of the company being pre-defined as yourself and your heirs when you are no longer around - so you and your heirs wont be able to easily sell the property (you can make a few good reasons why it might be allowed). And you can take each step by itself - first buy the land. While working to improve it, put it in the name of an LLC, then when you have a law office you trust to be the administrators of a trust, put the LLC into a trust. BOOM guaranteed to be around for you, your children, your grandchildren out to nearly a century unless the government finds reason that your property is worth a whole lot (then negotiate for a good price plus a piece of government land in exchange).
    Seriously LLCs by yourself can be cheap. Trusts are less so as you nearly have to involve a lawyer at that point, but it is not a ridiculous expense if you have improved the land to the point it is worth something to you and your heirs in the future.

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    1. This is good advice and you are knowledgeable and believe me, I appreciate you sharing. That said, I personally believe that the rule of law has been overthrown and nothing you do legally will help you if someone decides to screw you. That is why I don't place much stock in that kind of strategy. I might be too paranoid, but I believe if you try to Lawyer Up, they will just kill you instead. Better to let them have the property in the first place. Exhibit A-forfeiture laws. Exhibit B-the guy that got executed by SWAT team in LA county ( under cover of "reported" marijuana plants ) because the local govt wanted his land.

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