note: a minion shared in an e-mail the most retarded prepping tool he's ever heard of. An auto-darkening welders helmet. Driving to your bug out location, if there is a nuclear detonation in front of you, you won't be blinded. Do you have one to contribute? I'd like to do an article if I can get enough. firstname.lastname@example.org if you e-mail, or just leave a comment.
note: Shotgun News wasn't really worth renewing again, so I subscribed to "Gun Tests". That is of course thanks to all of my loyal minions for keeping me in extra spending cash. Not sure what I'll do with it ( includes ten years of online back issues ), but if there is info you want me to look up, let me know. BTW, the staff agrees that the Lee-Enfield was the preferred battle bolt weapon of WWII.
As in Franklin, not as in Been Jamming. A $100 gun. I’m surprised that the PC Police have not tried to replace Ben on the hundred dollar bill. I mean, sure, he was reputed to be quite the ladies man, which would presuppose a flaunting of the social mores of the time, something libtards highly approve of. And he did heartily approve of hyperinflation to pay the fedgov’s debts. Another point in his favor. But he was so, you know, White. I’m sure they could dredge up some homosexual Black cripple somewhere to take his place. Perhaps if someone put a 22 in Obammy’s brainpan?
It has been reported by others more daring than I who mix amongst the rabble and shop at Wally’s that there is now a single shot rimfire for sale, being offered at the inoffensive price of a hundred bucks. Not that I’d advise shopping at Wally for a gun. Far from it. When I foolishly did just that back around 2006 it was a huge PITA and then I was escorted to the door by management, a policy surely designed to keep mass shootings under control. In Nevada. Where open carry is allowed ( perhaps that was just designed to assure others I had already paid for the rifle that had been locked in the case. I don’t know-I just felt cheap and used. Like Obammy ).
I’m sure the cocking lever is a piece of plastic and the weak link of the gun. As well as any other quality issue Wally is now infamous for. But. It is a hundred bucks. Am I saying you should spend more, even a lot more, for a rimfire? Yes. I spent $160 for a Cricket ( single shot with scope, made for kids ) and $220 for a five shot bolt heavy barrel. I would spend $300 for a Rugar 10/22 if I was so inclined. Not because those prices might be justified, but because those are the prices you pay to bribe a company to NOT screw you with substandard merchandise. However, and is always a however or a but, or a butt, if a hundred bucks is all you can afford well then by golly that is simply that and end of story.
Minion Ave brought up this whole topic, curse his scaly hide. Minion Spud reintroduced the rimfire arsenal topic and then the same hour I got an e-mail that rounds were down to four cents. Granted, one of those sellers was “Ammo King” who I had never heard of and when they didn’t charge shipping I was a bit leery. Were these guys real? So the alleged four cent rounds might be more five cent rounds which is what Sportsman’s Guide is selling for ( don’t mix up the subsonic round that is 4.5 cents with the regular powered round which is a nickel ). Still, even at five cents, what a deal.
And I will get back into the rimfire. For now, today, we talk about the rimfire verses the twelve gauge. Both are claimed to be the “best all around cheap gun for the apocalypse”. Which is better? The single shot break open twelve gauge shotgun has a long history. In old timey pioneer days, a Po Boy could buy one for one third to one quarter the price of a handgun, and I would imagine the rounds themselves were cheaper ( if they used non-brass cases at the time as I’m thinking ). Believe it or not, there were actually a lot of poor people back then, just as there are now. Some folks actually don’t make thirty or fifty grand a year.
So please, try not to be a cheese dingus and lament the fact that anyone who buy less than the best. Anyway, the shotgun ( single shot was fifty percent cheaper than a double barrel ) was a great weapon. Since everyone seemed to be a pretty crappy shot, the scattergun did give you a slight edge. And it could be a hunting as well as self defense round. Its versatility has never changed. However, way back then everyone was running around firing black powder. The ranges were short and the shock impact was lower. A shotgun didn’t have as much of a disadvantage compared to other short range pistols or pistol ammo carbines ( there were the long range heavy hitters, but that wasn‘t what most folks carried ).
But with smokeLESS powder, that equation changed. Compared to pistols, the shotgun is still a good choice. But compared to anything else, they start suffering significantly. A lowly rimfire rifle is good for a minimum of twice the range of a shotgun blast. A talented shot gunner might get a slug out 100 yards but a talented marksman can push the rimfire out to 150 yards or even a smidge more. Firing shot, most amateurs are still only getting half the range of the less talented rifle shooters. And since you have to be a heck of a lot closer for more than one pellet to hit, the one hitting never a sure thing, you aren’t even sacrificing stopping power by using the rimfire.
A cheap shotgun shell is twenty cents, and those are the crappier small shot, not the man stoppers. Call a better one a minimum of a quarter each. Even making your own reloads with homemade powder, you still need a new primer. And the plastic hull and cheap metal base won’t last forever in storage or hold up to weather if jerry rig reloaded. A rimfire round is simply a better buy all the way around. Financially rimfire makes much more sense/cents. As well as tactically. You can place a scope on the rifle, whereas there is little you can do to a shotgun to improve your shooting. So there are FAR less wasted shots. So rimfire is superior logistically.
The only way a shotgun is superior is when you never engage in longer range shots. Building interiors, jungle, dense forest. And I wouldn’t want to be stuck there, as the weapon implies toe to toe engagements. If that happens, you are already dead ( if not that time, the next ). Distance is your best defense. Not firepower or stopping power, but you hedging your bets by wagering on the average person being a crappy shot.
I’ll continue in this vein tomorrow.
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Just last night I was sitting on the porch sippin some suds and thinking to myself that if I was down to 1 gun it'd be my Remington 870 12ga marine magnum. It's so versatile, where as other calibers are much more specific. Try to hit a bird in flight with a .22 or take down a deer. Ain't gonna happen.ReplyDelete
Add a couple accessories, like a pistol grip for close in home defense, and a rifled barrel for long range slugs that can reach out to 200yds or more, and you have it all.
Combined with some experience, there is no more versatile gun out there in my opinion. Yes, #8 shot is a man killer. If you have experience and balls and a will to do what needs to be done. At point blank range out to say 20', #8 will remove the entire head and neck from the torso.
If you don't stay in practice by shooting a hundred rounds through it ever couple months, you have no business reading what I just wrote and no gun in the world can help you. If you do shoot 100 rds through a 12ga pump every couple months you know what I wrote is true.
I have a bunch of guns in various calibers that are all mission specific as well as versatile but if I had to get rid of all but 1 I'd keep my 870.
Having said all of that, I just ran over to SG and bought (2) 1000 rd boxes of CCI 40 grain .22 at $77 each. Added to whats on hand I'll have close to 5000 rds in .22.ReplyDelete
It is justifiable in taking pride in your hard earned talent, but don't let that blind you to the reality of most peoples skills. The rimfire is perfect for the Less Skilled. The shotgun is far less forgiving. Remember, even cops are usually trained for crap, and practice accordingly. So are troops ( annual IF lucky ). Volume makes up for skill. Don't blame the peasants for growing food ( figuratively ) rather than practicing marksmenship. You can blame those unprepped for buying Starbucks instead of getting ready, but the reality is most will drink the coffee Kool-Aid, so you design prepping to be affordable to even them. Same with guns. Lowest common denominator rather than skilled operator focus.Delete
>> Minion Ave brought up this whole topic, curse his scaly hide.ReplyDelete
Do you have to bring up that I'm a reptilian shapeshifter *every time* ?
First, since Mad Max Fury Road came out, suddenly everybody's interested in my precious bodily fluids, because thye understood O Negative is the universal donor blood and those who have it are us poor reptilians.
Would you like to know more ? http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/rhneg.htm
Now women want to be my slave but can't hide their desire to be part of the conspiracy of power. They lose interest as soon as they understand that the Post-Die-Off reptilian Elite is going to spend its time basking in small solar-heated huts, revelling on how smart it was to stockpile Mora knives and dry beans.
As fot the shapeshifting, since by belly got stuck in that shape, the rest of the shifting doesn't really matter.
Good gravy, this stuff is classic! Alien blood. Well, you used to be able to Curse Your Black hide, referencing the black plague, but PC Princesses use that and "niggardly" as grounds for persecution so "scaly" is a good stand in. Sorry I "outed" you :0 Too funny, thanks dude.Delete
Nice review of topic again lord bison. Recommend that .22 minions also rathole the high velocity copper plated hollow type 22 rounds. More expensive yes but a couple of bricks will amplify the performance of the duece duece. Also if inclined, one has the money to burn before the collapse, a basic 22 semi pistol or revolver will augment your kit for camp duty or small game hunting like venezuela. The neighbors yapping dogs will be delicious with seasonings.ReplyDelete
Tomorrow I cover whether to get a revolver or not. Also, get seasons for baby. The other, OTHER white meat ( Austin Powers reference ).Delete
Yes, canning and pickiling salt as well as seasoning spices. They go on big sales in spring after holidays as they glut the shelfs in stores. It makes all "meat-h?mm" taste better.Delete
Isn't canning salt just non-iodine salt? I have bags and bags of the water softener salt ( remember, use sodium chloride. NOT potassium chloride. If they don't tell you on the bag, don't use that brand ). I thought they were good for pretty much any food prep, salting meat, brine, etc.Delete
“The single shot break open twelve gauge shotgun has a long history. In old timey pioneer days, a Po Boy could buy one for one third to one quarter the price of a handgun, and I would imagine the rounds themselves were cheaper ( if they used non-brass cases at the time as I’m thinking ).”ReplyDelete
For historical price reference, I looked through my 1987 Sears, Roebuck & Co Catalogue. Most single shot 12ga guns were around $5 or $6 dollars, and there were far fewer available than doubles, which were clearly more popular at the time. Doubles ranged from $10 or $12 dollars, up to twenty something odd dollars, all the way up to $185 for the best of the best at the time (Charles Daly, W.W. Greener). Though there were a few cheap doubles that sold for as little as the singleshots.
Now for ammo:
.22 long rifle: $.15 a box of 50-
per 1000 - $2.85
12ga box of average $.30 to $.40 a box of 25. Per 100, anywhere from a $1.30 to a $1.50. All paper shells, just for your information. Though they did sell empty brass shells, and they sold for $1.18 for 25, in 2.5” and 2 5/8” (recall that shotguns in the 19th century did not yet have 2 3/4” chambers).
150 yards with a .22LR rimfire on a man sized target sounds reasonable. But generally speaking, a .22 is already stretched to its limits at a 100 yards (a .22 drops 10” at a 100 yards from POA) though with a good barrel, reasonable accuracy can be achieved at this range.
If I recall, the larger buckshot can reach out to 80 yards. It’s a matter of variables. If I were in the woods, I’d probably rather have the 12ga, but if stealth were of importance, then I’d rather have the .22 subsonics and a longer barrel, as suggested by Vlad (whatever happened to that dude? I hope that he is still with us).
My two most used guns ever were my 12ga single shot shotgun and my
.22LR single shot bolt action. Between the two you can do anything that you need to. A 12ga slug will drop anything in north America.
I'm pretty sure Vlad is not with us anymore. He was long retired when I was corresponding with him 15 years ago. My shotshell vs. pistol round was more along the lines of a conventional 6-gun, not a 22. If shotshells are cheaper than a Colt Peacemakers rounds, another reason Po Boys would pick a shottie over a revolver. Can you look those up? Sorry, I tried finding an old Sears catalog and I only got one with almost nothing in it.Delete
I heard that back in the wild west that a pistol round cost a days (or was it a weeks?) pay each and the handgun 6(?) months pay for a cowboy.Delete
Sure Jim. Assuming that a Peacemaker would most likely use a .45 long colt, here it is:Delete
.45 Long Colt per 50 - $0.84, Per 100 - $1.57
I couldn’t find .38-40, .44-40 or .38 Colt. However I found what I believe to be the .32-20. (Simply referred to as a .32 Winchester.)
32 Winchester per 50 - $0.64, per 110 - $1.16
A pistol=one months wages.Delete
Okay, shells and cartridges cost the same. You did get more bang for your buck assuming more shot hit from one shell. Just like today, verses a 223 or even most pistol rounds except 9mm.
The mathematics are like lumber and concrete costs. Just pay the damn freight now and have custody and control of said items now and literally forever. Stop splitting hairs on a litteral one time purchase and a deepening of ammo supply stockpile and be done with it. Starting to sound like a jewish wife nagging the husband over his investments, That are for their combined benefit. Jeez!ReplyDelete
Hmmm, not sure we've met. Hi! My names Jim. Hello, I tend to analyze everything to death. It's what I do. That said, great analogy.Delete
Okay, talking twenty two here. Stop pissing away money on other bullspit stuff (yes you know what is referred to here) and then you shall have funds enough to buy decent 22 rifles and 22 handguns with a few thousands of rounds of ammunition and be all set to sit out the appocalypse on your porch, patio, dirt yard, etc. Fully prepped for what you did not mentally prepare for. Yeah! I am a bad ass prepper- not!ReplyDelete
Was the whole comment sarcastic, or not? Can't tell. Hard to add anything. If it was mostly serious, the only problem with that strategy is that the 22 is only one of dozens of most important must have items. And you can only save so much. That is why I worry about costs on everything. The cart fills up quick, you must watch every item.Delete
Great article again, Mr. Bison. Your minions can use the 22 caliber rifles and pistol/revolvers to put down the nonhacking members of the tribe or neighborhood with minimal cost to the collective's stockpiles. Brilliant interjection of tools that are as useful as a sharp knife to the dialog. Smart, real smart. That is why you are in charge. Love your hair, looks especially spectacular today. Must be the wheat berries giving it fullness.ReplyDelete
Why am I getting mental pictures of Jews getting shots to the back of the head? "nonhacking members" sounds suspiciously like "unproductive members". I'm sure you meant it differently, just couldn't help the thought. You know, I've noticed that the days I skip eating my nuke bread, I'm totally "off". Not so much hungry but less close to 100% performance. I'm sure my hair is effected.Delete
I completely agree with your "aiming" argument. Many people think of the shotgun as a "cone of death" and thus they don't need to aim. Clay pigeon shooting is a good school of this not being true.ReplyDelete
On the other hand, the .22LR being both small and also accurate, it forces and encourages the shooter to take his aim.
At my shooting range, the ex-military guys all use precision weapons, only the Yuppies And Wannbees have military-style weapons.
Disclaimer : I own a HK SL8 because at one moment I had money to spend on it.
Eventually the State will confiscate it, now or in twenty years. Doesn't make a difference, this is borrowed time.
If they take my 22LR carbine (CZ 452, I can't afford to buy crap, as they say) then things are probably so much down the drain that they probably won't be able to enforce this.
I believe they're exciting the population so the Western World can turn into Lebanon. War of all against all, leaving the Elites alone (or so they think, typhus knows no borders)
I can't figure out the Muslim importation. Stupid ass PC Princesses really believe it, or was it just a slam down on wages? But I like your thought also. War of all against all except the elite. If we're willing to kill ourselves raping the environment ( pollution, drying up the wells, stripping the topsoil ) just for jobs, why wouldn't the elite kill us for more profit? That second mansion might not be necessary but the island mansion is, for a moat.Delete
Yes, if you will, we can assume that destroying is easier than building.Delete
Our elite are destroyers, selling the Rolls-Royce at scrap value because, hey, easy money.
You cannot have power without conspiring for it. But this is the low-level conspiracy, one step above petty criminality.
We always think that they are such masterminds, but look at how botched 9/11 was (or Vegas or whatever). People still speculate about JFK but they don't speculate about 9/11 since it's so blatant.
Mobnkey tribes divide and conquer. Women divide and conquer. That's not so hard, but really, it's about as much a magic power as gravity is magic when your walls come down out of neglet.
If they were able to put cold fusion on track (don't hold your breath) then okay, but all we had is computers networking together (the Internet), put together by old dudes 25 years ago. All these "elites" could do with it is Facebook and building a new Sears company called Amazon. All financed by debt.
The reason why the world is like it is can be explained through incompetence and gross negligence.
Damn good points. I guess we do, even if only subconsciously, give far too much credit to those in power. We should be thinking of them as members of Congress in their abilities, not the original Rothchilds clan. And I guess if you look at it like that, then throwing easy peasy money, backed by oil production, at any problem was their solution. So, ascribing intelligence to the Elite is just wishful thinking they can hold the center awhile longer. When in reality they are just watching things out of control and being able to profit off of that. So, fracking oil is the debt instrument keeping the lights on and Amazon is the debt instrument keeping our shopping going. Derivatives keep the central banks going. And the pensions paid. Damn, now I'm even MORE worried about the instability.Delete