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In part one we discussed how you never want to trade non-sustainable items for sustainable ones. Directly the opposite. Hoard all your silver, ammunition, insulation, rubber, coffee, etcetera. Trade with meat and leather and wood and slaves. That is not to say you have no use for plate glass, sewing needles, rimfire or plastic shoes. You can use all of that amongst your tribe, exclusively ( I would advise making taboo trading with outsiders, except communal replaceable items ). Have we forgotten already about dowries, bride prices, and restitution or swapping items, plus generational inheritance?
A dowry is the price the brides family pays to the groom, and a bride price is the opposite. Of course, Bitches Libbers try to propagandize the issue, and that makes sense because most of those bitches would need to pay me to cohabitate with them. But a dowry was not a Slave Price, not a bribe to get rid of a non-productive female. A brides price was not about buying a piece of ass. The dowry was an investment in the brides future, as in seed corn for a groom to start a business, or the price of a house to have debt free shelter. And the dowry was returned as needed so that the women had security after becoming a widow. A bride price could be a filter so that only those capable of generating a surplus ( “how do you intend to support my daughter?” was demonstrated ) could wed. It also kept the riffraff from marrying into money.
What better dowry or bride price than in Industrial item savings? Silver, rimfire, and etcetera. You have kept the irreplaceable wealth in the tribe, not pissed it away on a short sighted trade that bleeds wealth away from your group. It is like seed corn. The temptation will be there to consume it. There must be a cultural barrier against such short term solutions. As well as incentives. A high but not impossible bride price is a good motivation to spur young men to battle, to win the necessary treasure. Or for folks to work harder to produce surplus to save up for that dowry or bride price.
Don’t underestimate the motivating factor of sex and reproduction after basic needs are met. By placing a prohibition on outsider trading of industrial items, and providing incentive to collect them, you should be able to keep trade on a gain rather than loss scale. Today, plastic sheeting is a mundane ( if no longer less expensive ) item overlooked by most. Tomorrow, it is the lining of a roof to earth shelter a home so as to minimize its energy needs and keep everyone comfortable. A metal shovel and pick makes digging that home more practical ( not to say you can’t salvage and forge the tool, just that a $25 purchase now requires far less energy than the coal you’ll need in the future ) and petroleum based insulation replaces resource heavy natural insulation.
Much more efficient shelter might not seem as important as ammunition and batteries for FLIR scopes, but in the great scheme of things it is. Earth sheltering and glass for solar gain or cooking drastically diminishes firewood use and reduces calories needed in labor. It stretches out resources, which is always a long term advantage. If you aren’t trading that meat and leather for charcoal to cook with, that is more barter items that can buy ammunition or livestock or other military necessities. It reduces your dependency on trade. If you need everything in trade, the enemy has the advantage. If you only need one item like ammunition, then the enemy maximizes his trade and search for just that item ( not that this makes the price cheap ).
So even far more mundane items than plastic sheeting or sheets of insulation become important. Those stainless steel plates or skillets or silverware mean just one more item you don’t need to sacrifice to trade for. A lot of items are replaceable with primitive versions, but since Industrial items are oft times free trash pickings or garage sale items or cheap at discount stores, it is less resource costly to acquire and stock them now than worry about them later. If I can buy a wool sweater for $10 now at a thrift store, that is one less sheep I have to feed for a year, all at the cost of one hours labor now ( and that wool can go towards home insulation, saving wood or trade for ammunition ).
A aluminum canteen cup now costs twenty minutes of labor. How many generations will it last, and how many ceramic steins will it save you from buying? Resources are squandered now, using petroleum at bottled water prices, to replace a LOT of resources later on. So take advantage of all of them. Right now, buying silver that was mined using Industrial equipment and fuel, you have a store of wealth far exceeding what it costs currently. You are insane for NOT buying and hoarding it now, but you would be criminally insane, moronically insane, genetically inferior, to ever trade that silver to any outsiders. Trading it around the tribe, that is one thing. The wealth stays put ( if you are retarded, you don’t have a cultural mechanism prohibiting excessive wealth hoarding. Your grandchildren will soon be slaves ).
If you think arming a fellow tribe member is bad, you are once again giving far too much credence to a talisman. Culture and social pressure are far more powerful than that bullet. You can safely trade that round of ammunition amongst your tribe ( it was brought up, so I must remind, rimfire is for your Forever Gun, NOT for hunting. It is too valuable for hunting ). And if you did trade it outside the tribe, it MIGHT be used against you, but the user must decide to fight the whole tribe and not just you. Again, it is that view of the whole world consisting only of that holler holding the two feuding families. The reason you don’t trade the ammo to outsiders is because one day it will be far more valuable and require far more resources. As with EVERYTHING else from the Industrial Age. Don’t Trade Industrial Items Outside The Tribe.
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Trading with the tribe is fine. It tends to be almost communistic. If your brother asks for 5 bucks, you are likely to give it to him, but if someone on the street does the same you take offense.ReplyDelete
Some things you are going to have trade for outside the tribe. A popular example is if one of yours gets sick and needs medicine.This probably would break your rule of trading industrial goods unless you manage to secure a CVS before it gets ransacked.
Except by the time warfare dies down and power monopolies are reestablished, the drugs are probably outdated. Something to keep in mind. Otherwise, this is a tribe that won't survive. Tribal loyalty cannot be conditional. You either do what is good for the tribe first or it doesn't work.Delete
External tribal trading can be a purpose and means to an end. Considerations should be made for aquiring highly necessary (not desirable/luxury/nice to haves) items such as medicines, batteries, tool replacements, etc.etc. this will allow your emissaries to size up adjoining tribes,(show your strength as too tough of a nut to crack towards them) make alliances, open possible trade/commerce corridors outside of your barren wasteland choice of a squat spot. Gathering information/news/intelligence outside your area, etc. And as an example from Jim a way to get rid of by trading off those dipshit/nonhacking tribe members by expulsion as slaves or brides. Problem solved.ReplyDelete
To be clear, we are talking about sustainable for non-sustainable items, yes? Plus, if you trade a piece of crap that breaks, it is your fault. If the slave, bride or horse later gets sick, it is their fault. No diplomatic blowback. I guess I should have covered that aspect.Delete
Current Industrial Age mining using massive amounts of petroleum energy is definitely the number one reason silver is so cheap today.ReplyDelete
I have seen calculations that the average wage for one day of a man's hard labor (sunup to sundown) was equivalent to 1/10th of an ounce of silver. This supposedly stayed fairly consistent from Roman times (the Denarious coin was about 1/10th ounce of silver) to the 1800's.
Also the gold to silver price ratio was something like 1 to 10 for much of history. Currently it is something like 1 to 62.
I like your advice of not trading irreplaceable industrial age products for organic commodities that can be produced in a low energy world. That is a good decision making template for the future.
Don't place too much reliance on the historical price ratio, because of the industrial destruction of silver as discussed. If that is correct, that we have less silver than gold, silver will be un-historically far higher value. Even if that is incorrect, stacking silver now is dirt cheap and you can't go wrong. Once the derivative manipulation of the metals breaks, both should shoot up. Obviously, stack AFTER wheat and ammo.Delete
The trade paradigm will really self evolve outside of what you now know as being routine. Post apocalypse, there will be so many evolving changing dynamics to what minions used to take for granted that they, unless fast on their feet, their heads will be spinning like a exorcist doll. It will really be a (dangerous/different/curious) set of circumstances. "Hop-sing" the merchant will extend credit for your today wants, pending your season productions, etc. Be the hermit with gypsy bazaar skill set. Just saying.ReplyDelete
At our age, how many of us are fast on our feet? :)Delete
"A aluminum canteen cup now costs twenty minutes of labor. How many generations will it last, and how many ceramic steins will it save you from buying?"ReplyDelete
Well said. Think of the effort and time it would take to create a watertight container you can heat water over a fire using natural products. A few spare stainless steel pots would be a wise investment.
Even banged up aluminum pots from the thrift store are going to be priceless one of these daysDelete