Tuesday, July 12, 2016

pistol packers


PISTOL PACKERS

If you were to meander over to ZeroGov.com to the June 18, 2016 guest article, “Apocalypse Mindset” by John Meyers, you would find an enjoyable read full of sarcasm and righteous indignation and other titillating experiences.  His reasoning goes as such.  We are all so worried about the zombie apocalypse that we don’t prepare for the lesser threats such as Orlando ( one assumes here for a moment that a prepper can be as gay as a three dollar bill and still be a Tactical Tommy.  I don’t think that is an image the GLTMM [gay, lesbian, transgender, monkey molester ] community wants to present to the world at large, a heavily armed pissed gay isn’t the same unassuming harmless picture as a swishy pink sweater limp wrist-but just as some Mr. Rogers looking sum bitch can suddenly go Postal I also imagine the wimpiest looking pillow biter around is quite capable of suddenly acting on an impulse to avenge a lifetime of abuse and is looking forward to an Apocalypse.  I’m sure the Orlando comparison was meant as an example of another shooting in a gun free zone, but to me it will always just simply be “The Great Fag Massacre of ‘16”, the continuation of the Muslim domestic war our First Kenyan Immigrant dare not speak of.  Sadly, this is our version of the European Invasion ).

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Now, I don’t know the author.  I appreciate his fine writing skills, and his logical thinking.  Alas, I can’t agree with him.  In the context of his argument, yes, I find no fault.  It is far better to be armed and trained with a pistol you keep with you all the time than to have all the wizz bang AR carbine in the truck out in the parking lot.  You are so busy getting ready for Red Dawn The Sequel Zombie Invasion that you miss the obvious threat that is very much more probable.  But where I disagree with him is that you should be needing a pistol in the first place.  If you are a real survivalist, you have absolutely no business living in a location like Orlando.  That is the long and short of it.  We all have an excuse for living in the big city.  Usually, our jobs.  Relatives being a close second.  Both were my excuses for years, but in my defense I never lived in the mega-cities, only medium sized ( usually under 100k ), and that once the threat became far more real and pronounced I bit the bullet and left the family and the better jobs and moved to the boonies. 

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I know we all have different circumstances.  One size does not fit all.  If you are in a situation you feel comfortable with, than that works for you.  You can’t just say 20k population good, anything over 50k is bad.  Nobody is going to argue that living in Chicago or LA or NYC or Dallas/Ft. Worth is very bad for your health, but not every medium city is equally good or bad.  I would say that rather than the arbitrary population figure ( I could live in a small village of one thousand but if it was ten miles from the Mexican border it would be just as bad as Washington DC ), you should instead take the Concealed Carry Test.  If your location feels threatening, if you need to carry a pistol to protect yourself, you are living in a city that you need to leave.  Immediately if not sooner.  Because, yes, crime and terrorism ( leaving aside the argument that terrorism might be all False Flags and Officially Sanctioned ) are a much larger danger than the apocalypse.  But only if you are in the wrong place. 

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The author is quite correct.  Crime will hump you much quicker than the lower probability apocalypse.  But you shouldn’t be living in those kinds of places.  You can’t use the argument that crime is everywhere.  It is, but not the same kind of crimes.  In my small town I feel comfortable with a rifle nearby because everyone is similarly armed.  Crime doesn’t go Baghdad Firefight here ( yes, it COULD.  You could also be run over crossing the street.  We are playing the probabilities here ).  Property crime, of course, is a preferred means of purchasing drugs.  And in the ghetto areas-only in relative terms as every location in town is high rent, some just less high than others- yes, there is the occasional shooting.  But that is domestic disturbances or drug induced stupidity.  It doesn’t translate into an outside threat. 

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My main point is that the apocalypse threat is real.  I continually prep for that.  And I DON’T need to prep for Orlando because I chose the correct place to live.  For me, because I finally stopped using family as an excuse to leave the city, there is no need to fear criminals or terrorists.  I don’t need concealed carry weapons.  That I don’t need it is actually a much more secure feeling than being armed ( moving through the Tulsa Oklahoma ghetto at night, even armed with a .45, was far more nerve racking.  At the time, concealed carry illegally was a $50 fine so I had no problem taking the chance of being caught ).  So for me, the worst case planning is still the way to go, rather than the Far More Probable Planning.  As our Best Buddy Ol’ Remus says, Avoid Crowds.  If you need to be packing heat, start packing your bags. 

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39 comments:

  1. I'm such an idiot. Never considered getting a concealed carry permit would have such a risk of getting shot by a nervous cop checking a tail light.

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    1. I always consider cops very nervous and prickly. But it is too bad you must fear for your life.

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  2. Sound reasoning from my perspective- HUGE difference in your chances of being mugged/attacked based on where you live and when/where you go on a regular basis. I never bought into the "everyone should carry" logic either. Just like I don't feel the need to carry baby aspirin around in case I have a heart attack. My risk at this point is very low.

    People like excuses to buy guns, carry a gun, etc. It's their James Bond / Cowboy Sheriff fantasy. No big deal, unless it also leads to stupidity like acting as if you're the new sheriff in town.

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    1. And none of them think through the legal issues of playing that fantasy. Remember, those shooting victims ain't your tribe.

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  3. CCW makes sense anyways, not that you need to carry all the time but that there will be times one will need to carry. Perhaps you have to go into the big city to buy some hard to get/hard to ship supplies, perhaps you have to visit some relatives, etc.
    Me, I am LITERALLY deathly allergic to cities. The cities my best friends and relatives live in. So when I go to visit I load up on asthma and allergy medicine. And, since I know there really are people out there to get me I who might know where these friends and relatives live, I carry as well.
    The pistol is the best carry weapon by far. Concealable, multi-shot, can put down even the PCP high tweaker with enough shots, and not so extreme as a carbine under a trench coat.
    True if you feel you have to have it on a day to day basis you probably ought to re-examine your environment and change it. But even if you don't feel you need it day to day, you should still have the license and carry often for those days you do suddenly need it - either because a sudden emergency sends you to the nearest city or because the environment around you suddenly changes for the worst.

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    1. In your case, you minimize your risk. In the Orlando residents case, you must beware every day of your life.

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  4. I still think it's a good idea to have at least one pistol James. I just picked up a Colt 1849 pocket revolver for a daily carry on my Elko CO homestead once I actually make my way out there. If I had no worries, then personally, unless I'm hunting, I'd rather not have the extra weight. But even now in pre-collapse times, you have to worry about running into drug labs and the such in rural areas. Post collapse, maybe not? But the pistol is just a better than nothing sort of proposition, since most people simply wouldn't wish to lug a rifle with them everywhere, unless they were fairly certain that they were going to run into some danger.

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    1. I have nothing against owning a pistol. They are a handy tool not easily duplicated. My only point is if you need one around other people you live in the wrong place. Your homestead carry is out of prudence rather than fear. City carry is out of fear because it is far more prudent to leave.

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    2. Not carrying your CCW with you because you live in a relatively safe area is like claiming, "I only wear my seatbelt on days I think I might be in a collision." What if an EMP happens while you're at work? Just because the townies aren't ready for it doesn't mean they're stupid and won't quickly figure out what happened and beat you down and take your bicycle as you pedal home from work.

      Article idea, an EMP happened, how do you safely pedal home when everyone else is wanting/needing your transportation?
      Peace out

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    3. I don't feel RELITIVELY safe, I feel COMPLETELY safe ( I still always carry a knife of course, just for Murphy's Law ). It is the first time since the '80's I live in an area and lack fear. Nice feeling. Others should try it.

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  5. What if one were to reside in a van in a populated area? Pros ? Cons?

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    1. How does that diminish the danger of other people compared to a home or apartment? It might be MORE dangerous as the temptation to break in a van is greater. As an intermediate step, saving rent to flee the city, sure. Why not?

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    2. you bring up the big concern that I would have with that plan : security. Maybe park it in a secured self storage during the day and then switch at night? Live in a better suburb and sleep in different spots around there, switch the vehicles at night / morning with the self storage? Eventually that will cost as much as having an efficiency in the not so great part of town.

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    3. What if you bought some junk land and drive the van into town as needed? Stay in the van instead of $90/night motel.

      Stealth is the most important part of van-squatting, so it can't look like an RV from the outside (plumbing truck?). Tags must be current, weekly car wash, and move if anyone sees you getting in/out in pajamas (not plumbing jumpsuit).
      I know a married couple living in a box van, both working jobs, showering at the gym. A micro apt. in pdx can be $1150+ utilities, so they are ahead at least $600/mo. AND have a vehicle to escape in when it's time. If they could find a friendly driveway to park in, they could move less but would have to be even more invisible.

      pdxr13

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    4. Harder in a big city, but here you could park overnight in Wal-Mart and drive to work, then back. Not the worst strategy as you describe as long as the transition is being made to Get Out. I know everyone panicked in the '70's and 1999 and nothing happened but since White Lives Don't Matter it is already Honkymeggedon in the cities. You can't spend all your extra city bucks if you are in traction or paying off lawyers from a defense shooting. Or dead.

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  6. Your most likely threat of being killed is by a US gov't thug. According to the thugs own numbers you are more than 13 times as likely to be killed by a cop than anyone else. See John Lott's book, "More Guns, Less Crime" for reference.

    Most people it seems do not believe reality until reality rears up and bites them in the face, and then it's too late. Even seeing reality with their own eyes rear up and bite the guy next to them is not enough most of the time.

    I know a guy that has been in close proximity to TWO open air violent shootings (within 50 feet of the shooter) in large crowded events in the past slightly less than a year, but he STILL continues to live where these things occur.

    Just last week that guy asked me what was a good home defense gun for him to consider. I told him, "Move". He asked, "What?", What do you mean move?" I said his best defense is to move away from where violence lives. I don't think he'll take my advice, for all of the reasons you've mentioned, and more. That guy is our only son.

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    1. That sucks dude. Anyone else, screw them. But family? Can you bribe him away somehow? I tried with my kids with free land but they aren't interested.

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    2. free land? I'm your huckleberry

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    3. Although i know you are not religious, but the Bible Story of Sodom and Gomorrah is apt here.
      Lot could not convince very many of his RELATIVES to leave, even though the city was about to burn.
      "How we move from here, into the wilderness? It is sooo Cosompolitan, here!"
      I won't ruin the ending, if you haven't read it, but it doesn't turn out well for them...
      Just my thoughts...
      -eviltwin

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    4. Doesn't the bible allow wife beating as long as the stick is less the diameter of your thumb? Good stuff in there, but a bear searching out the good stuff. And people complain Lucifer's Hammer is too long.

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    5. 459-that might be a thought, giving my lots away. Of course, each one has its merits. I might do that with my Texas lot. Want to move to sixty miles east of Dallas? Double mobile lot with utilities. Find "gun barrel city" and its five miles from there.

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    6. We've tried to bribe him and his family but he is deeply ingrained in the place where he was raised and all the other reasons you've mentioned. As he is our only kid, and living 1200 miles away in southwest Florida, my wife gets constantly lonely and even suggests the idea of moving back there. I remind her that she won't like it for all of the reasons why we moved here to the northern sticks in the first place. So she resolves to our reality. But she doesn't like it. This is a problem that I cannot fix. But I'm always thinking about it.

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    7. I was "lucky" in that I lost my kids way back when. Any visit was gravy and I'm used to them being far away. I was "immunized" from missing them, forcibly.

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  7. Yes, the smaller volume containers cost far more per ounce. I'd be pissed too.

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  8. I never got a concealed carry permit just because it seemed stupid to informe every cop I had it and a gun on me. The trigger happy cops we have today can and do kill people for almost no reason and get away with it.

    For the times I feel I do need a gun on me I just put one in a pocket and go out with it.

    I also have several guns that are not government tied to me. I bought them from other gun enthusiast that didn’t require the government’s OK or knowledge.

    While the government and I differ on this opinion I don’t feel I have to ask for (and get, or not get depending on their mood) their permission to protect my own life.

    If I ever felt I needed to shoot someone to save my life you can bet that gun is going to go to the bottom of the lake or river. As I would use it and walk away, never to call the cops. No government involvement these days is standard survival MO as even if you are in the right you can go to jail. Don’t know how many people went to jail because they were too stupid to throw a gun away. Guns cost a lot of money so they keep them, but buying another gun is much less expensive then 20 to life in jail.


    Unrelated Subject below.

    New prep tool / toy alert!
    My guess everyone will want one of these…
    I ordered a pop bottle cortege maker / cutter. It’s a tool that holds a pop bottle and easily cuts it into different size cortege from just larger then fishing line to almost ½ inch wide.
    The great thing about this tool is it allows you to use scrap products that are almost everywhere and make something useful.
    Pop bottle cortege shrinks when you heat it so it binds well to whatever project you use it on. It’s also quite strong.
    There are several videos on U-Tube showing how to make one of these cutters.
    But I just ordered one as it’s easier and I work so much I didn’t want to spend a full day (it would take this long to work it through to a working model) playing with it As I work too much in the Summer to spend a day tinkering with it.
    The one I ordered came from Kiev Ukraine, It was $15.00 with $5.00 shipping, well worth the $20.00 for a tool that works so well and produced a useful product.
    Can’t remember the Amazon address when I ordered it (Easy to look up if you want one, search Amazon like I did.) Below are 2 videos of the exact one I ordered being used by the guy that makes them.
    When I ordered it the delivery date was 5-weeks (ordered in late June and the delivery date was 1-week into August) but it came in 2-weeks. Not bad considering the guy is probably making them in his garage.
    The instructions that came with it are one-page and not clear at all, it would be almost impossible to figure out how to use it with them. But the 2-videos above show it in use and make it easy to understand how it works. And playing with it, it is just as easy to make this cortege as the videos show it to be.
    Here are the 2-videos of the maker of this tool using them and showing how strong this cortege is.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVLGJrqEwo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQeeJEpBYsg
    This is a good thing to have for a prepper
    The only problem I can see it that I’m going to be making a lot of cortege and that’s going to cut down on the number of storage bottles I have for rice, beans and other dry foods I put up.


    Chuck Findlay

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    1. I can see how such a toy would be temping-but I can see how the storage use is far more useful.

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  9. That is the problem with CHL - the holder is obligated to inform the officer that he/she is carrying - that is the way the law is written. So it enhances the possibility that 'mistakes may be made' - as in dead citizen. No CHL - no obligation to inform officer of presence of gun. But getting caught carrying 'dirty' has its own problems.

    Damn, protecting ones Life sure has become complicated !

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    1. It used to be easier when there were fewer of us and it didn't seem like they were using every excuse they could find to kill us off. Don't get me started on the medical industry.

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    2. Let me go ahead and ruin the rest of your day - but I'll also turn on the sunshine. You're a vet so pay attention.

      Last Jan I had surgery and it was suggested that I get a free blood testing at the VA. I did, and was informed that I had hepatitis C and most likely contracted it from the pneumatic gun shots in the arms while in the army. Stationed in Wildflecken, Germany for 37 months I received literally hundreds of shots.

      When the gun is placed against your upper arm and medication is injected into it at high pressure blow back occurs and contaminates the face of the gun. They never clean the guns during this event and move on to the next guy. The next guy now gets innoculated with the blood from all the people ahead of him in the line.

      I had no obvious symptoms of this disease until I researched and found that I did have them but didn't recognize them as such. You probably have the symptoms as well.

      The VA is supposed to treat me for this disease as they caused it but it has been 7 months and no treatment yet. I'm told there are thousands of others in front of me. And the cost is enormous.

      It requires 1 pill per day for 7 weeks, 84 pills total, and the pills cost close to $1000 each.

      In late june a new drug was released by the FDA and I believe it is 1 pill every 2 weeks but the overall cost is the same as the other ways.

      I strongly urge to you get a blood test at the VA as soon as possible. This stuff will kill you whether you want to ignore it or not.

      I am dying, right now, and for no other reason than I was a starry eyed teenager with patriot ideals and unaware of the potentiality of the greatest evil this planet has ever known - the US gov't and all of it's myriad of factions.

      When I stop and think about it in detail, and I try not to do this too often cause it is so draining, there is not one good thing I can attribute to this rotten assed gov't as it is at the base of so many of the things that have harmed me throughout my entire life.

      I'm also currently receiving innoculation for hepatitis A and B.

      Serious, get checked.

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    3. Thank you, but no thank you. I do prefer ignorance. Cancer, hep, whatever. I'll keep on trucking until I croak. Unaware and blissful.

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  10. I like using the "porch test" in deciding the safety of a neighborhood, namely, do people leave valuable items outside on their porch/in their yard overnight? People tend to stop doing that after they've had stuff swiped a couple times, and such petty larceny seems to be the first indication of trouble, so I figure neighborhoods that do that are pretty safe, at least until TSHTF.

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    1. I'd think that indicator might be off slightly. Property crimes alone might never progress, and I think your standards are too high for almost everywhere.

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    2. I don't know, I leave things out all the time. I think it's a valid test, or look, or whatever you want to call it.

      Chuck Findlay

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    3. Round here lots of people leave their bikes, riding lawn mowers, out on their lawn not only overnight but over multiple days and even weeks. Some people are known to leave their keys in their unlocked trucks over night. But with a population of <5k everyone knows everyone elses stuff and stealing it would involve either hiding it forever or taking it literally hundreds of miles away to use/pawn - aka not worth while to the average teen punk (plus most of the teen punks are well known enough that people keep their eyes on them.) OF course around here trailers are next door to $300k mansions so there are no 'good' or 'bad' neighborhoods.

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    4. I think the key deterant is the "hundreds of miles to go pawn".

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  11. “I am dying, right now, and for no other reason than I was a starry eyed teenager with patriot ideals and unaware of the potentiality of the greatest evil this planet has ever known - the US gov't and all of it's myriad of factions. “


    Seriously? Am I interpreting this correctly, and your days are truly limited? I sincerely hope that's not the case ghostsniper? I've always enjoyed your comments, and your no nonsense style. Men such as yourself are a very rare breed in this pussified day and age, that's for sure. Well, I certainly wish you the best and hope that you pull through it okay.

    Wayne

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  12. My last month in California we had a hostage situation and then a lady walking down the street with a pistol and her boyfriend following in a car egging her on. I haven't been back.

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    1. Smart. The place went to hell in the 60's but we just blamed the hippies. Looking back, those were the good old days. I imagine crapholes like Jersey and NY are similar. I'll never go back for any reason.

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    2. Hey Ghostsniper,

      I too have tried to make a point of reading your comments as I often learn from them. I hope you contact me at mofreedom2@yahoo.com. Dr. Len Horowitz laid out plans to CURE Hep C, aids, and many other virus-procured ailments.

      MOFreedom

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