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Friday, October 28, 2016

the forever gun book 9


THE FOREVER GUN BOOK 9

32 ACP

It seems like you will be facing an uphill battle to spend anything less than a thousand bucks on a Forever Gun with its ammunition.  Even the flintlock rifle is going to cost about that much.  Same with a percussion ( with the kit for making your own caps from aluminum cans and one penny each chemical drops ) to simplify the ignition system and make it weatherproof is still about that much ( $700 for a rifle kit, $300 for the percussion cap kit and 20k’s worth of cap chemicals which should equal the “forever” aspect of a flintlock ).  If you already own a Lee-Enfield, a Mosin-Nagant, a 30/30 or a 308, you have the additional option of going with a 32 ACP round by purchasing chamber adaptors.  You still spend the same, but most of the cost is in ammunition.  For the same price, smokeless rather than black powder.  Much quicker to reload along with the other benefits of modern arms.  You will spend about double for the reloading machines ( you need the conventional loading die so must go with the next step up from the Lee Loader ), and the brass is 17 cents, but you are still looking at $1k for the machines and mold, and ten thousand reloads ( as well as several of the chamber adaptors ).

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I have no experience with adaptors.  At the time I became seriously interested in them, you couldn’t sell your first born for 32 ACP ammunition, any primers or powder ( which is a situation which can easily be repeated at any time-so never, ever, never procrastinate on prep items again.  Rice, eggs, antifreeze-anything can disappear from retail shelves instantly with our combination of JIT inventory, Malthusian reality and  centralized corporate controls.   All ammunition and components face political pressure, as well ).  But it is easy enough to buy a single adaptor and one box of ammunition and test out for yourself if the concept is valid.  $30-$45 is not an expensive experiment.  To get the 30/30 or 308 adaptor, you want to buy from the guy up in Alaska ( he used to sell a 7.62x39 in 303 adaptor but dropped that offering.  I imagine the commie steel ammo had too high of pressure and kept breaking the adaptor and he was losing money on it ), MCA Sports/Ace Bullet Company. 

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If you have the British or Russian bolt action, you can buy the adaptor through Sportsman’s Guide.  Those are $15 ( the Alaskan ones are $30 or so ).  Now, of course, not everyone has an extra grand lounging around waiting to be spent on more prepping gear.  Just as with the 9mm, you can buy lesser amounts at one time.  I don’t advise it, but nobody is going to accuse me of assuming my readers are filthy rich and can splurge of spending.  It may be a mistake to assume we have far more time than you need to prep before the end, but it is equally silly to assume it is all going to end tomorrow.  Don’t be a dumbass and sell your house, give up your job, max your credit cards and throw caution to the winds.  Just don’t listen to the experts blowing noxious gases out of their backside promising you we have twenty years before anything bad happens ( or, assuming this Depression will ever end ).  Try to set your expectations somewhere in the middle.  You’ll have tomorrow to prep, but also don’t assume you have next year to do the same.

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If you never get all ten thousand reloads, it isn’t like you are guaranteed to automatically die from lack of preps.  All the supplies in the world are useless to you if you don’t do your part in not acting stupid.  So, More only helps if you help yourself.  A basement full of food shouldn’t be located in a major metro area.  If you can’t afford ten thousand reloads, set your sights lower.  I would recommend you wait until you can buy however much at one time, of course.  Do to the length of the last shortage of reloading supplies, and due to the upcoming elections ( I normally don’t listen to Fear Porn artists insisting our guns are just about to be confiscated-folks like the NRA make a lot of money doing that.  Obammy didn’t mess with our guns [ even if his cronies at the state level did ] for eight years.  On the other hand, Clinton has a history of actual gun control.  I’m not panicking, but neither am I not going to assume bad things ), I think it is a bad idea to start a arsenal and then stop, waiting until a future time.  There might never be a future to complete it. 

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I’m also a proponent of buying tangibles rather than having too much cash in savings.  Cash loses value, supplies on hand do not.  But that doesn’t mean you panic and buy unwisely, just to get rid of the cash ( and don’t take this to mean you need zero savings.  I’m saying TOO MUCH is bad.  You still need some for unemployment and sales ).  Save for a short time, see what is happening, then invest.  If you bought $500 in guns and then only had a few hundred rounds of ammo, then there was no more at all, you wasted your money.  Ammo is far more important than guns.  You can always find more guns, but ammo is a fixed commodity used rapidly and not to be replaced ( in the near future ).  Panicking isn’t necessarily bad.  Things are guaranteed to get a lot worse a lot quicker than most want to admit.  But you need to panic rationally, not blindly.  The idiots with a quarter million dollar McMansion and SUV, one paycheck from bankruptcy, those are ones who will panic blindly.  You are supposed to be a little better than that.

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23 comments:

  1. About that gun control. I mentioned before how they will ease it into effect by putting pressure on you to turn them in from all directions. They don't need to come door to door and threaten violence.

    3 of my guns are off the books and non-traceable to me. Those guns and ammo and accessories will never be given up. The others are registered to me and therefore traceable to me.

    In the past I wish I had drawn up receipts for each of those traceable guns that are still in my possession for anonymous persons I sold them to. If I do that now it will look obvious.

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    1. I think your idea has merit, but I do hope you are wrong.

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  2. “I normally don’t listen to Fear Porn artists insisting our guns are just about to be confiscated-folks like the NRA make a lot of money doing that.”


    Perhaps James, but I certainly wouldn't gamble on it. If you have the money and need it, get it now!

    It would probably be good to have some ammo on hand of the diameter that will fit into common steel pipe sizes, either alone, or as a combination of pipes fitted into one another to make up a barrel. This will come in handy later for Liberator Pistol making. Probably best to stay with cases that head space as opposed to neck space. Though with only a little extra modification, neck space cartridges can be made to work. According to Kurt Saxon, a 3/4” pipe is the correct size for a 12ga shotgun.

    A flintlock musket on the cheap would be no problem for the handyman (of which I am not). The more complex trigger and lock components can be purchased at Dixie Gun Works, and also I think Track of The Wolf. Everything else can be crafted by the handyman. If you build a punt gun (more or less a shotgun cannon) you may only get one shot, but that one shot will take out just about everything in its path.

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    1. Slam bangs are my Go To if Hilary is elected. I should have already gotten them but keep putting it off.

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    2. That's probably the easiest way to go for those of us that don't have handyman skills James, and it would probably work well enough for defense. Though if you could put a little more effort into it, and build something with the basic outline of a conventional gun, you could better aim it, and even hunt with it to a point. It wouldn't be very accurate at longer ranges being a smoothbore, but it would probably work well enough for ranges under 50 yards.

      Still wanting to get that how to book from The Delta Press, but am a little leery about ordering such books.

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    3. I figure, screw handiman skills. It will need to be a shotgun, and used as a Liberator. If things get that bad.

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    4. Sounds like a plan James, but personally I'd try to avoid making a slam bang in 12ga, and go with something common, but smaller, like a 20ga if possible. That 12ga would be brutal to fire, trust me. I recall that he mentioned having to mount a plywood plate on his chest to rest it against when firing. I tried firing my Stevens single shot 12ga one handed before, and even being a full sized gun it's rather uncomfortable.

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    5. My plan all along was for 20g. I don't confuse Macho for Smart.

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  3. I've played with the .32 ACP adapater for the .303 and it's quite fun and quiet. The thing to remember is that it's subsonic and roughly equivalent in power to .22 LR. The instructions for the adapter say it'll accept .32 ACP, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, and .32 H&R Magnum. They also recommend shorter barrels that are lubricated and clean as the .32 ACP can supposedly run out of steam and get stuck in the longer barrels. The only .32 ACP that'll take off with the longer barrel to strong .380 ACP power levels is Cor Bon. The best .32 FMJ is Sellier & Bellot 73 grain. It's actually a legitimate self defense or hunting round because it reliably tumbles in tissue upon impact. Another thing to consider is that supposedly after a certain amount of use the adapter will begin to stretch and need to be full-length resized by your reloading dies so it doesn't get stuck in the rifle chamber. At least that's what the guy at the gun store told me who said it happened to him. I never used it enough myself to find out.
    http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/32auto.html
    http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/32-acp-rifle-chamber-insert?a=471502
    Peace out

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    1. Thanks-I wasn't aware of the barrel stickage issue.

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  4. FYI...

    The 7.62 x 25 adapters work OK in the 91/30 and the 303 AFTER you ream them out some. Don't ream them and the empties stick in them like a mother.

    The 91/30 shoots a lot nicer using the x25 too!

    YKW

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    1. I thought the future might see the x25 shortages, with the 32 having local availability. That is why I discounted the commie round.

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  5. Hey Jim,
    Glad to see you finally getting around to mentioning chamber adapters as a "back up" method for optimizing selection of ammo opportunities.

    I'm quite a fan of not only the H&R and Rossi break action single shot rifles and shotguns, but also for the "chamber adapters" (used to place another cartridge inside a "mock" adapter for a larger cartridge but whose bullet itself can be shot from the adapter and through the existing rifle barrel and its rifling for accuracy) and the "rifled barrel inserts" made to be used in shotguns (12 and 20 gauge) for various caliber cartridges that are available from MCA Sports in Anchorage, AK.

    I am fortunate in that over the years I have had the ability to collect firearms so I haven't been pinched by necessary budget limitations. Thus, I do have my heavy and long range needs serviced by the tried and true 30-06 cartridge with the semi-auto platform being a couple of M1 Garands with additional multi-fire capability backed up by lever action and bolt action rifles using box magazines. Likewise, my medium range cartridge consists of two types: the M1 Carbine and the AK 7.62x39 providing semi-auto capabilities via removable box mags. And for the soviet round, I have a CZ bolt action rifle with box magazine while the old M1 Carbine is backed up by a Ruger Blackhawk revolver. However, for both classes of rifle power, eventually the need to restrict oneself to a discipline using single shot rifles in order to implicitly conserve ammo in the long haul when not expecting multiple aggressive defense requirements is needed. So I have bought a couple of break action 30-06 rifles (one an H&R and the other a Rossi). Both very cheap! MCA makes and supplies chamber adapters for the 30-06 in both M1 Carbine AND 7.62x39 thus allowing the entire existing rifling to support full accuracy. I find this platform very handy for selective distance shooting. I assume that the adapter for the 303 Enfield was discontinued due to the cartridge having a full rimmed base thus compromising strength of the adapter. I have no problems shooting the M1 Carbine or soviet cartridge through a 30-06 rifle (break action of course).

    With my two shotguns, I use 18 inch rifled inserts to fire both the M1 carbine and the soviet 7.62x39 cartridge. Accuracy is fantastic since I have had a Weaver base welded onto the barrel and can use Red dot or Medium Power scopes. Then in addition for both shotguns, I purchased 10 inch rifled inserts for most of my pistol cartridges so I have an accurate and generally a much higher velocity platform for these medium to lower power disciplined shooting situations in: 45 Long Colt, 45 ACP, 380 ACP, 38 Special. The 12 gauge I kept at full length (an H&R) while the 20 gauge is a "youth model" Rossi (costing only $124) and I had the barrel shortened to 18 and a half inches so it is practically a "knapsack carry gun". Of course both shotguns can still use their appointed shells after sliding out the rifled insert.

    I also happen to be a fan of the 22 Mag cartridge. It is somewhat expensive and finally lately more easily available. But what I find handy is to use this cartridge in a single shot break action rifle. If I want the full power of this cartridge to be used, a 22 inch barrel is fantastic. But with MCA Sports, you can also buy a package of three brass adapters that allow you to shoot the standard 22 LR in the 22 Mag rifle for a very disciplined cost saving roll when lessor power is all you need. If you want stealth while hunting small game, the 22 LR adapter, when loaded with a subsonic CCI "Quiet" cartridge, the noise emitted is not more than a small rock being dropped..... thus that 22 Mag rifle can simply perform multiple roles.......and it is cheap (either H&R or Rossi will do).

    I enjoy reading your "forever" gun series. Keep up the good work Jim!

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    1. I put adaptors on the back burner mostly as a discipline in limited total caliber selection and budget. Not that they aren't a great idea.

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    2. I have read some were, (so take this advice with a grain of salt as you read all sorts of stuff but this seems feasible), that a home made 22lr/22m chamber adaptor can be made by grinding the base of a spent 22m fired case leaving some of the rim. 22lr cartridge can then be slid inside the modified spent 22m shell and fired in a 22m chambered gun. I would be a little worried about the cut down case sticking in the chamber, probably advisable to try it out in a break open gun like the above mentioned h+r's or rossi were you can get at the chamber better to prise out the case. Still a handy trick to remember though asumeing it works.
      Aussie

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  6. At the closeing stages of ww1 the US army developed an attachment for there bolt action rifles that replaced the bolt with what was in effect a 32cal semi auto gun that that used the rifles barrel and trigger to function. This attachment had, from memory a 15 or 20 round magazine and was designed that when the soldiers were going over the top they would bang away at the Germans, shooting from the hip, laying down there own suppressive fire. In defensive situation the bolt would be replaced and the regular rifle ammo would be used. The war ended before these devises were ever made in any great quantities. Interesting concept that never saw the light of day again. I don't know how effective they would have been, I would imagine that the slower runers would tend to shoot there own faster runners in the back as they were attacking.
    Aussie

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    1. It sounds like a much better solution than the BAR ( heavy ) or the Tommy Gun ( probably didn't like the mud, expensive ) for trench warfare. Let every trooper have more firepower.

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  7. Ye Lord of Perfect Hair..

    I feel i must give back this year to you for your time spent on these writings. Much has been learned and gained this year reading your blog. What is on your survival wishlist? And where can packages be sent?

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    1. You can look on Amazon ( use my full name, James M Dakin ) at my wish lists. If I am graced with your generous gift, please send to:
      James M Dakin
      c/o FISH
      821 Water Street
      Elko, NV 89801
      Thanks!

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  8. Be aware that the .32ACP does have horsepower issues. My brother had shot a wild hog and shot it with his Walther PP pistol in the head for the kill shot. It did NOT penetrate the skull, in fact barely making a dimple in it.

    For small game, not an issue, but for protection against the Un Godly, I don't think so. Better than a poke with a sharp stick I guess. The rifle adapter does sound intriguing though. And I know that buckshot (#1?) can be used for bullets, not bad for bulk buy.

    Thanks for post.

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    1. Hmmm. I never thought of using buckshot for lead. Duh!

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  9. I have tried the 32 - 308 conversion from Sportsman's Guide. Was hoping for a quiet small game round not as pleasing as CCI 22lr quiets. The quiet are egg size at 50 feet. The 32 seems to be all over a dinner plate at same distance.Lake Erie Pirate

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    1. I wonder what you would need at a 100 yards-the side of a barn? A shame.

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