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Friday, October 21, 2016

the forever gun book 7


THE FOREVER GUN BOOK 7

SALVAGE OPTION

The next chapter will cover the costs of 9mm reloads but here I’d like to take a short detour and cover another possibility.  It isn’t as secure as a large part will be scavenging/salvage ( always a risky business as you won’t be repeating some dubious plot line from a cheesy ‘80’s survivalist pulp series and be hopping and skipping down the road and lo and behold there, as if by magic, is an un-looted semi trailer truck full of guns and ammo.  Rather, you’ll most likely be killing your enemies for their ammunition and hence be in a lot more danger ), but if you are leery about relying on cheese dingus rounds of very anemic strength this might be just the ticket for you.  I’m not sure what you’d call this arsenal choice, and believe me that is strange as I simply adore my wit and rarely hesitate to invent more of my own labels.  Perhaps “spoils arsenal”.  You basically just arm yourselves with guns using a caliber in common with your projected enemy.  The trick is, rather than copying his expensive firearms you are just getting a cheap bolt action that fires his round. 

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Have you priced AK-47’s lately?  No longer very affordable.  It is my contention that in a very short period of time Californians bought up all the parts kits so they could have Tupperware style parties where flat pieces of sheet metal were hammered into receivers.  This was a legal way to own a real gun in that state, without paperwork ( just beware that no matter how good that sounds, anything you buy through the mail is recorded by the Feds-so a 1890’s surplus gun, a 80% receiver, a black powder revolver, a modern case insert for same, a flare gun or anything else you buy to “leave no paper trail” isn’t as stealthy as you believe it to be.  The only way is to live in a state that allows paper-less private sales, and for your sake I hope that gun was never owned by someone on a watch list.  If you ever need to use it… ).  As a result, no more parts kits were sold affordably.  Tried finding an SKS?  They have held their value.  In the 1990’s you could buy two Enfield’s for one SKS.  About the same today and that is three times the price.  Thanks Klinton Kunt.

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You can, barely, buy an AR-15 for $500.  I wouldn’t trust them-there were reports of range injuries when substandard parts exploded.  I think I’d be comfortable with a $700 as bare bones and I’d prefer to spend $900 for a long heavy barrel to get a mid range sniper rifle ( the only way an AR is worth half a crap ).  That is not too much more than an AK goes for.  So there are your two firearms your enemy will possess.  FedGov jack booted thugs, and 90% of survivalists ( and, yes, Virginia, other survivalists are your enemy.  The morons bought thirty five different semi-automatic firearms, cases of ammo, and only six months of storage food.  Silly, I know, since you could have bought a $10 bag of flour and doubled the months supply of freeze dried foods, but few put Food First ) have the M-16/AR-15.  There are millions of those plastic poodle shooters out there, and about one months supply of ammunition as the standard, actually, only, tactic with them is to spray and pray.

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You’d think that there wouldn’t be a whole lot of chance of salvaging ammo if all the practitioners plan on ejecting their entire supply of ammunition in one orgasmic display of righteously fearsome sound, but since you have a bolt gun ( or, for that matter, a break-open single shot ) you won’t need that much.  As far as a commie carbine round, the 7.62x39 ( while the Soviets went to a higher velocity round in ‘74, all their satellite countries were still churning out the original long after that.  The ’47 remains the most popular and widely available ), far less survivalists seem to have them, and the odds of the Chinese attacking seems remote.  Every year that passes, the cost of invasion increases as our natural resources are used up further.  Nonetheless, the AK is in a solid second place and having a bolt rifle for that round seems to make sense as the supply should be relatively plentiful ( don’t discount the probability of the Chinese NOT attacking, but supplying partisan groups.  In this case, the rounds supply will exceed the .223 after a short time ).

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A third possibility is 308.  Personally I’ve always felt that the round was given too much fuss by survival writers.  I prefer any thirty caliber to carbine rounds, but I think far too many survivalists get visibly sexually aroused by the touch of AR plastic.  They won’t admit the thing is a turd compared to an HK or FN-FAL or other real gun.  So while the #1 recommendation of the writers, I’m dubious too many are out there.  But, assuming you want one and believe it worthwhile, you could in theory buy all three, the 223, the 7.62x39 and the 308 in bolt guns for barely more than the price of a single AR.  Then you can salvage different rounds from the battlefield.  This is no where near as good as having 10k rounds of 9mm, but it will keep you going far longer than a semi arsenal, plus when you hit someone with it they will react in a more satisfying way.  And, as a bonus, in the meantime you have the option of still buying half price ammo.

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Steel cases for ammunition are not the best deal.  Reloading is better.  Sometimes.  If ammo components are scarce and prices high, steel cased compares favorably.  That is if you can even buy the reload supplies.  For a time, NOBODY had powder or primers.  Expect that to be repeated ( as soon as November 8th, I might imagine ).  The great thing about a bolt rather than an AR, when it comes to ammunition, is that more often than not the semi hates steel cases.  The bolt does not.  And you will likely run into steel case 223.  To me, with the last eight years of rolling retail shortages, it never makes sense to assume an item won’t disappear from shelves.  Steel cases just give you another option.  Sportsman’s Guide loves to have free shipping sales and you can buy steel cases as cheap there as anywhere else, usually.  Plus they treat their customers correctly.

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The Spoils Arsenal gives you options.  That of course is higher quality rather than better quantity, but if it works for you it might be a solid option.

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22 comments:

  1. “You basically just arm yourselves with guns using a caliber in common with your projected enemy.  The trick is, rather than copying his expensive firearms you are just getting a cheap bolt action that fires his round.”


    Sounds similar to the “liberator pistol” concept James. That might not be so bad a route if you can get close enough to an unsuspecting enemy. I saw what appears to be a pretty good book over at the Delta Press, but I don't actually have it, so I can't vouch for it. Thinking of getting it though:

    http://www.deltapress.com/zips-pipes-pens-p-478.html


    “The only way is to live in a state that allows paper-less private sales, and for your sake I hope that gun was never owned by someone on a watch list.”


    And if you do live in such a state, I wouldn't drag my feet for too long in securing one of these “paper trailless” weapons. For one of president hitlery's first orders of business is to close all “gun show loopholes”, and she even went as far as to say so in the last debate the other night. Now it's possible that the republicrats might block her there, particularly if they can hold onto the house and senate, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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    1. Hilary, being one of the top tier of Lucifer's Minions, is capable of anything. That said, Alzhiemer Annie is just a zombie meat puppet kept alive at the behest of higher power interests.

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  2. That was the cool thing about the Thompson / Center Contender. Gun shows had quite a selection of new / used barrels (non serial #'d), in many different chamberings. So you ended up with a single shot gun that accepted many different choices of ammunition. Used barrels used to be available for as little as $100 and if you didn't like the one you had, you could even trade them if your barrel was in good condition. A good scrounging gun in other words.

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    1. Wasn't the Thompson a pistol? I always thought it quite expensive for what you got.

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  3. I used to own the TC Contender .357 pistol, .30-30 rifle combo. The rifle with a fixed 4x scope was quite accurate with standard Federal 150 grain soft points and was all kinds of fun and reasonably fast to shoot. I could never quite get the .357 to get an acceptable group. On the plus side, you could shoot the strongest .357 on the market and the recoil was no trouble. I had about $1500 invested in the combo before I sold it. Leupold 4x scope with the frame, pistol barrel, and rifle barrel Duracoated for rust resistance and to match the terrain. I miss the rifle occasionally, don't miss the pistol at all.
    Peace out

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  4. Particularly if your not using semi autos, I really cant see needing a heck of a lot of ammo for defence. 1000 rounds would probably be more than a life times supply. More than likely you will win a gun fight in a matter of minutes, if not seconds with only a hand full of rounds used or your dead and you supply the other fella with spoils gun and Ammo. And if you plan to pick up ammo from vanquished foe on the battle field, why not just use the found guns as well? Stock the ammo for the guns you got, stack deep to just be on the safe side, but you will more than likely die with most of your ammo stocks intact. Engaging in regular gun fights is not conducive to a long and prosperous life, and should be avoided were ever possible. Second best option to avoiding gun fights of cause is to make sure you win.

    Thompson made a lot of carbines as well(probably still do) just like the pistols only with longer barrels and stocks.
    Aussie

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    1. Guns will need ammo for the die-off. Even if you are well hidden you still have some conflict. Afterwards, you need to ambush and slaughter enemy tribes. Static defense from attacks. Day to day defense on the move. I think it is better to assume you need a lot of ammo. The only problem with battlefield spoils is Murphy's Law. Best have your own, just in case, AND what you can pick up.

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    2. Thought you might like this James, but I once heard a story from a guy that was in Vietnam. He had informed me that many of the soldiers thought that the M-16 was so awful, that they would remove the AK-47's from the dead enemy soldiers and use them instead. Now they had no resupply for ammo, so they could only resupply when they came across another slain enemy combatant. He also said that they had to hide the weapons from their CO's, or they'd be confiscated. Now the guy was a bit of a bullshitter, so take it with the grain of salt, but it almost sounds like it could be a plausible story.

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    3. I've heard the story myself and while it might be urban legend ( in some versions, they have to worry about being mistaken for the enemy as the gun retort is distinctive ) it does frame the horrid treatment of soldiers by the Army.

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    4. Here's another one that I think you'll get a kick out of James. It appears that you are not alone in your thinking.


      DOCSpanky wrote:

      “I still get such a kick out of people who go out and spend thousands on an AR-15 , then spend thousands more on mindless accessories, 100 round drum magazines, laser sights, scopes with which you could see the rings of Saturn, and are no safer than a guy with a well rehearsed plan, pistol or shotgun that he usually uses for target or hunting hobbies, and a phone.”

      http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220430

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    5. Right, just a plastic talisman. Who knew an AR could also fit up your ass alongside your head.

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  5. I'm not so sure about the viability of battlefield pickups. I would assume both the gun and cartridges would be in poor condition. If you ever have a chance to look at CCW holders carry pistols (gun shop or wherever), you might be surprised. Most people have poor weapon care habits and you see their pistol and it has a coating of dust, dead skin, and rust with poor lubrication. Their rounds often have corrosion on the brass and bullet. A nice Kimber I saw recently that a guy was CCWing had accumulated dust, rust on the stainless steel, and his hollow point ammo had been in there so long the lead was sulfating (can't remember if that's the technical term). Add in the stress of a severe societal downturn, and most weapons will be even filthier. Anyhow, if you plan on battlefield pickups, you should also plan on a thorough cleaning before it's considered serviceable. Hint: stock plenty of cleaning supplies.
    Peace out

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    1. Now add in the propensity of corporations to build in profit from quality downgrades and you are looking at dumbassness combined with greed to equal a failed strategy ( insofar as battlefield pickups ).

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  6. Battlefield pick-up is prohibited for 1st world soldiers because it's a great way to get hurt/killed by booby-trapped cartridges intentionally mixed with left-behind ammo. With miniature trackers, left-behind weapons picked-up may be leading enemy arty/drone2ground missile to your base. You can't be too paranoid.

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    1. I think I recall Vietnam era booby trapping of shells. Of course, the policy is also a great way to force your troops into using your piece of crap plastic poodle shooter. Although paranoia is the best policy.

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    2. If you kill a soldier, his weapon & ammo are going to be safe. If you "find" a soldier with weapon/ammo, expect traps.

      pdxr13

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    3. Poodle-shooter back-up: short-barrelled shotgun with carved-down pistol grip. 12ga or 20 ga, depending on preference, loaded with heavy pellets (000 or 00) or slugs. If your AR-15 isn't fixed rfn with SPORTS, the enemy will be close enough for the shotgun.

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    4. PDX: Good rule of thumb
      121: We might not have a choice in the future and be forced to use an AR/M16, but otherwise, a shotgun is unnecessary extra weight. Better to just have a better rifle to start with.

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  7. Just started a great book. Love the author's writing style. It was free through Kindle when I wrote this..

    'Exit Channel' by L.S. Vonderheide.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M9CEO1Q/ref=pe_385040_117923520_TE_M1DP

    Idaho Homesteader

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    1. Thanks, I'll check it out. The book I'm reading now is a bit of a slog. Future sustainability of US regions-at $20+ I HAVE to read it. So your book will give me a bit of a needed break.

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  8. In Viet Nam special forces, green berets, seals, Delta, used to bobby trap shells, unexploded 105s and such because the VC loved the 105 artellery shells to make mines with.

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    1. Was Delta formed back then? I thought they were later '70's-but, imperfect recall. Now that you mentioned it, arty shells sounds familiar.

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