tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post5346661532785789497..comments2023-08-15T06:33:53.114-07:00Comments on Bison Prepper: bolts & bayonets 2 of 2James M Dakinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-42771793384781477292017-10-10T08:14:15.905-07:002017-10-10T08:14:15.905-07:00The problem I see with any shotgun is ammo weight....The problem I see with any shotgun is ammo weight. I know we aren't carrying around much weight because of food shortages and we aren't firing much ammo because of "bolt" guns, but 12ga gets heavy FAST. <br /><br />I'll have to think on this for a while, but to me 5.56/.223 is the most cost effective round right now. <br />So perhaps a commercial bolt-action in .223 wylde with a jerry-rigged bayonet is the answer...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-63326582484312275242017-09-05T17:56:39.577-07:002017-09-05T17:56:39.577-07:00Less reading? You mean, reality? :)Less reading? You mean, reality? :)James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-74631617109162511332017-09-05T17:50:00.585-07:002017-09-05T17:50:00.585-07:00I have a 2006 vintage 870 Marine Magnum that came ...I have a 2006 vintage 870 Marine Magnum that came with the mag extension. Paid just under $400 new and they have went up considerably since, though deals can be found. I'm in the process currently of making mine tactical. Installed a TacStar top rail with sidesaddle, nmim extractor, aluminum mag follower, larger safety, magpul stock and forend, 2 point sling w/ QD swivels. Shopping for a flashlight attachment.<br /><br />The thing to practice with this gun is, keeping the gun trained on the bad guy while using your left hand to extract rounds from the sidesaddle or elsewhere and feeding them into the mag. Now, say you're empty but the bad guy doesn't know it. You keep the gun trained on him and yank a round from the side saddle and install it directly into the breach from over the top of the receiver with your left hand. A little awkward the first few times but you'll get the hang of it.<br /><br />Tip 2: Do not use the old skool idea of standing at and agle to let the recoil roll off your right shoulder. That automatically swings the barrel way off target and will get you killed.<br /><br />Instead, feet about 24" apart, facing the target straight on, hunched over the gun, take the recoil straight on but use the momemtum to jack the next round into the chamber. Having done the old way for so long, this method didn't come naturally to me. I had to do it alot. Now, some 400 rds later it feels pretty normal.<br /><br />One last tip.<br />When moving backward drag your feets, do not lift them off the floor/ground. This will prevent you from tripping over things. Your dragging feet will push things like bottles, debris, chairs, body parts, out of the way.<br /><br />You're welcome.<br />Now git yer a$$ off the couch and go git it done!<br />Less readin and more doin..... ghostsniperhttp://www.deadcenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-84381329728313935002017-09-04T10:42:30.221-07:002017-09-04T10:42:30.221-07:00No, you guys are right. You have the spare parts p...No, you guys are right. You have the spare parts problem solved, whereas my suggestion is problematic on that. Thanks!James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-1938940220968372822017-09-04T10:39:46.655-07:002017-09-04T10:39:46.655-07:00Okay, it's a damn fine idea. Now everyone can...Okay, it's a damn fine idea. Now everyone can have a bayonet. I commend you and confer upon you the Bison Double Top Secret Seal Of Approval. A bit embarrassing I never thought of this myself.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-1677274699052810552017-09-04T09:19:33.021-07:002017-09-04T09:19:33.021-07:00A 1-3/8" steel rod would have to get pretty r...A 1-3/8" steel rod would have to get pretty rusty to break. Besides, they're so inexpensive there would be no read to not have a whole box full. If you're so inclined, grind just the tips to razor sharp then stick em in the ground around the compound - 21st century punji sticks.ghostsniperhttp://www.deadcenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-25850164650752141092017-09-04T08:00:56.153-07:002017-09-04T08:00:56.153-07:00Ditto on the 870. I have a really old one (circa 1...Ditto on the 870. I have a really old one (circa 1960’s) but the later models have a quick change barrel system. This is important for a few reasons. You can switch from the standard bird shot barrel, to a rifled slug barrel. You can also go with a much shorter home defense barrel and outfit the gun with a pistol grip at the rear, and at the front pump handle. The pump gun with the plug removed would have far more firepower than Mad Max’s double barrel shotgun pistol. However, Max’s double gun has the advantage of one hand use. All of these accessories are sold for the 870. If you can, try and get the model that’s chambered for the 3.5” shells for versatility purposes.<br /><br />Basically, the 870 with the above options could very well be a serious contender for your post apocalypse gun, as long as you don’t need to shoot slugs much beyond a 150 yards. Tons of parts out there for these guns too, since it’s probably one of the most sold shotguns out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-35749865946796706712017-09-04T05:45:58.509-07:002017-09-04T05:45:58.509-07:00I like to see that sarcasm coming along nicely! N...I like to see that sarcasm coming along nicely! No, I'm worried that the bayonet would break off from rust if it hit something hard. A near surface bone, a rock or tree if parried, even say a leather jacket. James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-13022763846524590492017-09-04T04:45:26.066-07:002017-09-04T04:45:26.066-07:00What, you're concerned the hapless victim(s) w...What, you're concerned the hapless victim(s) would get blood poison from the rust? When doing routine gun maintenance spray some CLP on that bayo and a quick wipe with a rag. Yes, the first one will take a few hours to build but the next 10 should be considerably faster. Rebar is your friend. Just remembered, spray the bayo with some cool multi-camo colored Rustoleum paint.ghostsniperhttp://www.deadcenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-47456100600192148112017-09-03T18:22:57.606-07:002017-09-03T18:22:57.606-07:00Well, if you mostly reload perhaps it isn't th...Well, if you mostly reload perhaps it isn't that important to have the 308. The sites were so bad I'd be using it in sunlight, not under any low light conditions. And that was twenty years ago when my eyes were better. Now, if you just used a scope...but then the bayonet probably can't be used. And you'd want a better rifle for accuracy anyway. Kind of limits you.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-87959958352881694682017-09-03T18:20:03.217-07:002017-09-03T18:20:03.217-07:00Should have added..."if it would be a cheaper...Should have added..."if it would be a cheaper alternative"James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-12145265459894110972017-09-03T18:19:27.443-07:002017-09-03T18:19:27.443-07:00Hmmmm...not a bad project for any gun you have. B...Hmmmm...not a bad project for any gun you have. But, won't it rust pretty easy? Perhaps it doesn't matter if you have spares?James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-53935646216390160852017-09-03T18:17:19.533-07:002017-09-03T18:17:19.533-07:00Kind of sounds cool. Don't they sell a remake...Kind of sounds cool. Don't they sell a remake of the shotgun they used in WWI? Winchester? Came with a bayonet mount, had that perforated shroud over the barrel. Although I image the bayonet isn't cheap.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-86128814124546495172017-09-03T18:03:13.942-07:002017-09-03T18:03:13.942-07:00Some keep a shotgun for home/stationary defense. ...Some keep a shotgun for home/stationary defense. I recommend the Remington 870. (You can easily upgrade some of the parts they cheapened, like the MIM extractor, polishing the chamber, and installing an oversized safety). You can get a magazine extension with bayonet mount that accepts any version of the M16 bayonets. Expensive, but flawless.<br /><br />https://sjhardware.com/collections/shotgun-parts/products/870-bayonet-mounting-kit-2<br /><br />Peace outAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-43013234899504606332017-09-03T18:00:56.419-07:002017-09-03T18:00:56.419-07:00Get a pair of industrial grade screw type hose cla...Get a pair of industrial grade screw type hose clamps at the hdwr store and make your own bayonet with a 2' piece of #11 rebar also from the hdwr store, and some quality time with the stationary and hand grinder. After you have a nicely fashioned loooooong conical grind on 3/4 of that rebar, screw clamp it to the barrel with most of it sticking out past the end of the barrel. Then, take it out in the yard and hold it with one hand over your shoulder and throw it like a spear at a stout oak tree. If it sticks, your work is done but if it hits the ground you need to rethink everything you have done up to that point.<br /><br />Rebar diameter is done in number of 1/8 inches, thus, a #11 rebar is (11 x 1/8") 1-3/8" in diameter. If 6" is screw clamped to the gun there will be 18" left for sticking all the way through someone that gets too close.<br /><br />If, after you've sharpened that bayo, you take a case hardened hatchet and strike the shaft of it frontwards you can deeply etch some barbs into it for extracting guts when you pull it back out of the hapless victim. Long sections of guts come in handy for impromptu rappelling purposes, just ask "Machette".ghostsniperhttp://www.deadcenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-28653320765139594622017-09-03T17:44:03.874-07:002017-09-03T17:44:03.874-07:00You need to do your research on the .308 Enfield.
...You need to do your research on the .308 Enfield.<br />The British were in a hurry to have a rifle to use, at the time, the new standard Nato round the .308. So they did hurriedly convert a few Enfields to .308. The ones manufactured in India under British guidance were designed from the ground up to handle the .308.<br />They were manufactured using modern metallurgy and up to the date modern steel to handle the .308.<br />They might have crappie sites but the rifle itself is far and away the best Enfield manufactured.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-79949961159645890652017-09-03T09:03:09.718-07:002017-09-03T09:03:09.718-07:00Blogger doesn't eat inane comments :)Blogger doesn't eat inane comments :)James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-30751352054292652922017-09-03T08:40:39.627-07:002017-09-03T08:40:39.627-07:00I think Blogger just ate my reply, because of its ...I think Blogger just ate my reply, because of its brilliance and thus the threat it poses to Google.<br /><br />OK, so I'll write it down yet another time.<br /><br />The important part of the rifle is its barrel. The rest is there to aim it, and get a cartridge into it and the case out. <br /><br />Cheap surplus rifles have crappy barrels because the good barreled ones are much more expensive. Collector value etc.<br /><br />For 300 USD you can get a new rifle like the Savage Axis. It has no iron SIGHTS(not "sites", grr) and no bayonet lug, but it is new and shoots well it seems.<br /><br />Now, bayonets are themselves getting rare and expensive. If you want to stick to civilian firearms, you may want to check out if it's not better to make your own integrated folding spike bayonet, like Mosin M44 or Carcano Cavalry rifles. It's not *that* complicated, but it will cost you time.<br /><br />Another option would be to take a really cheap bolt-action military rifle that has a disastrous barrel (less than 200 USD), buy a new barrel for it (about 100 USD : http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/short-chambered-barrel-1-10-twist-308-win--sku080000376-22531-48630.aspx )and screw it on.<br /><br />For 300 USD you then have a new rifle (because the barrel is new) with a rugged action and a stock you will be ready to abuse (BIC approach). And chances are it will still have its bayonet lug too...Avehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508223217305671728noreply@blogger.com