Wednesday, November 28, 2018

redoubt religion 1 of 2 ( article 1 of 2 today )


REDOUBT RELIGION ( article 1 of 2 today )
Today, hat tip to Minion Deep Throat for the inadvertent article idea, the religious aspects of survivalist redoubts.  We all know that Survivalist Yuppie Scum Leader “R” is all about the “redoubt Rocky Mountain” idea which is so influential right now.  There might be a few of his minions who wear the super secret decoder ring in his inner circle who are really dedicated to his brand of religion and enjoy tribal status with him, but to my mind the vast majority of the readers of his book and blog probably drank the redoubt idea Kool-Aid and remain clueless what they got themselves into.
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Okay, look, before we precede, I want to state that while I AM in fact Baby Jesus’ Personal All Time Favorite, I am NOT religious.  I dislike organized religion, especially those with a long history of bad behavior like the Papists.  But I have no issue with religion.  I look at it from an anthropological view rather than a spiritual or philosophical viewpoint.  It is a great tribal bonding technique as well as being beneficial personally as a moral guide and a source of comfort.  So don’t take it wrong if I’m a bit caustic about some religions.
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I see the need for religion.  But I am NOT blind to its practicality.  And when you join a religion, you become little better than a gang member.  In for life, and completely swayed by their particular brand.  You lose a very large portion of your reasoning ability ( again, don’t take this as a criticism.  Patriotism to the nation state shares the exact same characteristics ).  You see two kinds of people, them and us.  It can be no other way of course, as you have joined a tribe. 
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Now, what I find interesting enough to discuss here today is that when you do join one of these tribes, it has everything to do with religious tribalism and nothing to do with location, even though, usually, the selling point is exactly that of geography.  The conflict within the middle east over sacred sites in the same city, or the location of Guyana as the place to survive the Cold War for Jim Jones’ people.   The sacred land of Utah for LDS’ers.  The Ozarks for White Identity folk or the Rockies for whatever weird splinter group of religion the Redoubt’ers share.
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Hell, even the secessionist people in Wyoming ( with their secular version of religion ).  The main issue I see here is that historically, location was a tribal boundary, and only important as such.  It was belonging to the tribe that was important, not where the tribe was.  But today, I think a lot of folks reverse that.  They see a desirable location, look at the religious folks moving there, and say, hey, these seem like nice folks.  I could be comfortable living there.  They forget the location is just a rallying point.  They see the area as a safety spot.
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For those of the same religion, a rallying point is merely a spot on the map.  The important thing is to join up.  The outsider is looking at the location ITSELF as the reason to go there.  To you, it is a well watered mountain area far from cities, so it is safer.  But to the religious dudes, while that was why they initially chose the area, with the help of God whispering in their ear, the tribe itself is the only reason to be there.  And while Big Daddy FedGov makes sure you all get along now, that isn’t the natural inclination.
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You need to look at this through a political lens, so I can make my point better.  Say you are a Democrat.  That actually used to be a good thing.  You were anti-Federal and pro-Union ( as in employment ).  As a Democrat, say twenty years ago, you decided to move to Houston.  There were well paying jobs, you didn’t like the cold and you understood high taxes redistributed income to placate the OtherColor poor.  But while being Democrat ( “these seem like nice people” ), you were not overly political.  That was just your general world view.
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Afterwards, a bit down the road, the Democrats went bat crap crazy on political correctness and you didn’t even recognize the party anymore.  You started voting Independent.  But guess what?  You were living in an area full of rabid LeftTard morons now.  You quickly became an enemy, by your skin color and by your refusal to hate yourself and your race.  You didn’t THINK you were racist, but apparently you were anyway, by an accident of birth.  You are not OF the tribe, so you are the enemy ( as an example of delicious schadenfreude, White leftist females are already being turned on and vilified ).
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Now, apply that to your moving to the redoubt of your choice.  You get along now, as your views are IN GENERAL compatible.  Until suddenly things change and you are the Odd Schmuck Out.  And here is why.  Tribal behavior is ALWAYS irrational and confusing to outsiders.  While we all understand that culture is just local survival strategies, we STILL have no comprehension of other people’s cultures. They are ALL alien to us.  If you were born and raised under that culture, the behaviors are as natural as breathing. If you were a late joiner, you act different.
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An outsider joining a group cannot just believe in a new culture, they must act fanatical in their conversion.  They must virtue signal by being More Natural than those born to it.  This is generally a built in hardwire for a female, as they are naturally prone to switching loyalties.  Your ex didn’t leave you because she is a treacherous skank, from her subconscious point of view she switched allegiances to a better protector/supporter.  Again, back to the gang analogy.  You must prove your loyalty beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Gangs do this through completely severing ties with society through capital offense crimes.
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Joining a religion doesn’t call for this level of betrayal or trust, per se, but the idea is exactly the same.  Somehow you must prove through great sacrifice you truly believe The New Way.  And it is just human nature.  Whatever you do to prove yourself, in your own mind you convince yourself as self-justification it is the correct course of action.  You aren’t “faking it”, because you convince yourself, as a self-defense mechanism.  You brainwash yourself, and for the simple sake of belonging to a group.  THEY don’t brainwash you, YOU brainwash yourself.
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Needy bastard!  I’m kidding.  We all share this vulnerability to some degree or another.  And that is why I dislike the vilification of religious leaders as if they were all charlatans and conmen.  They might give in to temptation and get a little too free with the treasury, but mostly these are people who believe, and who attract those that want a group to belong to, the most natural inclination in our species.  You cannot judge the group on the basis of their beliefs.  That is almost secondary, as it is merely a tribal identifier.  It is just cultural. 
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So, all that being said, you cannot simply “get along” with the local religion if you don’t belong.  Not past a certain date.  That is what we’ll continue with tomorrow.
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28 comments:

  1. The redoubt region has already been largely compromised. We all know what happened to Idaho (particularly Boise) and the primo land in western Montana or Wyoming. No point in even mentioning Oregon or Washington, since they have long ago fallen to the enemy within. This leaves the cold north central states as the better option now.

    While I feel that both sides are a threat to one’s liberties, I’d probably rather take my chances with the religious folks. Sure, they want to outlaw all the fun stuff (porn, liquor, drugs, prostitution, etc). But the other side hates my race and gender, wants to eliminate my ability to protect myself, as well as outlaw half the words in the English language; the use of which will result in future “hate crimes” legislation. So between the two, the latter group is by far the most dangerous to me.

    I’ve only read online excerpts of the super survivalist dudes most popular book (I’d never buy it, but don’t worry, if I did, I’d buy it through your links. But that’s not a sales commission that you’re ever going to see :D ). But I seem to recall a passage in which “undesirables” (i.e. those that did not follow “the way”) were eliminated in a rather unpleasant fashion.

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    1. I'll gladly forego that commission :)

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    2. "But I seem to recall a passage in which “undesirables” (i.e. those that did not follow “the way”) were eliminated in a rather unpleasant fashion."

      You must be referring to the commie cannibals in Patriots that were eliminated by a mag dump? I used to think commie cannibals were a bit of a stretch for a realistic scenario. Now I don't think so. Our public schools are sending out a steady stream of communists into society who have no moral compass (or their compass points south). They have a skewed world view and would likely require little encouragement to turn to cannibalism after a grid-down event. Actually finding the Communist Manifesto in their possession would likely be a stretch, today's graduates are minimally literate.
      Peace out

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    3. Is there a cartoon version of the Manifesto? :)

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  2. Following along Jim, as you take the baton of thought and run away cleanly from all other punk blogsters. That whole redoubt and or townie spots smaller than my grade school gives me trepidation. As a Minion arrives and attempts to implant, there are many unwritten rules and codes to learn. Having nicer vehicles, buying in to better areas or property will draw scrutiny. (Greed and envy is everywhere) folks will shake hands and use full names as you had best as well (no annonimity as in cities) the local police and government structure no matter how small or friendly appearing, will dig into you and your whole clan's background, deeply, as a vetting process. It is in their self protective interests. The local grapevine will shortly thereafter transmit your entire dossier through the community.(best be squeeky clean, only alaska doesn't mind your prior bestiality convictions) Close your curtains at night as them rurals are way more snoopy in your business, to the level of stalker grade. You are considered still a tourist or transplant and not fully embraced until after 8 or so winters or years have passed and your still around, and, have passed the community / cult's probation period. These areas have their own subgroups (religions, employment, clan cliques) that if you enjoin will require a lot of sweat equity, tithing, etc. Not a loose association on your terms like the yoga classes in your city on your schedule and wants. More parallel jabs later, just crumbs for Minions to consider before jumping into anything.

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    1. Most excellent points most disregard now, because they can. But shouldn't. Odd to think that you will jump from the urban pan into the rural fire, but in tough times you can suddenly become persona non grata. You put it all very well, thank you.

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    2. Mostly true. I'm almost 13 years into the journey you described. No 2 places are the same. Rules over there may not be over here. Seems like out here people in general mind their own business for the most part. It's best to just shut your ass and open your eyes and ears when moving to a new place. Run your yap and people will distance you. And nobody wants to know how you did stuff at your old joint. Be friendly but not overly so but be ready to crack the whip under the right circumstances. Not only do envy and jealousy live everywhere but criminals too. Outsiders can look like easy targets. Repeat performance over the long haul carries the most weight. It took 2 years and maybe 50 visits before the hardware store owner cracked a joke in my presence. Through luck I got the sheriff on my side in the first 6 months. Not a friend, mind you, but friendly. I'd see him at the gas pump and we'd exchange howdy do's and a comment about the weather. Never any more. I keep LEO's and criminals in sight.

      Maybe it's sort of the same everywhere, just don't be a dick.

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    3. It is a low bar on not being a dick. So few try. Although people sometimes surprise you. Just enough to keep you confused on what the rules should be :)

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  3. Off topic, but did you know that you could buy a fagot for $42? :D

    Yes, this was trending today in the local news, and apparently they’ve sold butt loads (no pun intended). And yes, we really have regressed this far as a society, and someone needs to put us out of our misery soon :D

    https://www.odditycentral.com/tag/decorative-birch-bundle

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    1. I was making light of just how ludicrous our society has become Jim. But yes, it’s true, and the company reported that they did indeed sell out on that product. Stick a fork in us, we’re done...

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    2. Embrace your diversity.

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    3. 10:18-certainly, we are just waiting for the Slim Challenged Lady to sing. I see zero hope for behavior change, which means any crisis is exponentially worse.

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    4. I worked with a british dood a long time ago that would frequently take a break and step outside and blow a fag. Lucky Strike filterless I think.

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    5. Forgot about those Limey fags :)

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    6. "...at the track, my da with a fag in his gob..."

      From (my memory of) the Irish actor Peter O'Toole autobiography. Besides a whole lot of fun, the man could write!

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  4. Any religion will have to have some leadership to direct and control. Although adherence to the scriptures or dogma is the purpose, there is always side shenanigans. Charismatic freaks usually power trip, and then turn noble purposes into fiefdoms, enriching themselves, or diddling your kids in a cloak room during bake sales. Television evangelists are obvious examples. Think of how h.o.a. associations get highjacked by outsiders or newcomers, or even contracted "managers", and go full on gestapo on the residents out of nowhere and unwelcomed like. Small town, or county boards that have 3 or 5 members are easily corrupted just by back room deals and getting measures passed by a simple majority. Then the sheriff evicts a minion from a previously allowed or ignored hovel, b-pod, trailer, etc. Trust no one, or expect that things will remain unchanged. Then Gomer Pyle usmc is singing "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"

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    1. Good points. Even HOA managers want hookers and blow.

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    2. “Then Gomer Pyle usmc is singing "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"


      Funny, but he also sang the exact same thing when Rock Hudson unwittingly bent over in front of him :D

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    3. re:
      Home-Owners' Associations

      We owned a condo in Sacramento. After attending our first HOA meeting, we immediately...

      Crafted officially-authorized notices. Then...

      Placed them on each door, under windshield-wipers. Something along the lines of...

      "Construction for the mine fields commences Sunday 6am. Do not be alarmed during testing. Occasional mishaps are expected, and are from the budget provided by your HOA dues. For your safety, call any member of The Council for an escort before your leave your unit. Children and animals should be carried while outside your unit. The mine fields are for everybody's safety. Use common sense while outside your unit. This is for everybody's safety."

      Signed by a particularly obnoxious version of the initials of the 1488 council.

      Joke 'em if they can't take a flying fig tree.

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      We have nothing against the 1488 folks. They make fine instigators, and enjoy being used as such.

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    4. I don't think I could retain any humor against such pig-whores.

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  5. Off topic, but this directly supports your dislike for semi-autos. This is from today's post by Jeff Anderson, owner of Modern Combat and Survival...

    "Now as soon as you start watching the video, you'll hear about Todd's big "failure" in his first real firefight.

    And trust me, I can relate!

    I remember the very first time I pulled the trigger when facing the enemy in battle (I mean, how could you forget it, right?)

    With all that high-speed training under my belt, I kept pulling the trigger at the "bad guys" - round after round after round.

    And you know what?

    I still to this day don't know if I hit a single one of fighters I was defending against!

    It's kinda embarrassing, but it's the truth.

    All I remember was feeling like I was never going to see my children ever again... and that maybe if I kept pulling the trigger, I could somehow get back home.

    My adrenaline was jacked through the roof... it was complete chaos all around me... and at one point, I literally felt a bullet pass right by my left ear by about 2 inches..."

    I can't send you the direct link because it's in my email, but if you sign up for updates you'll get multiple emails a week with free info, cutting-edge you-pay training, and gear that ranges from outstanding to not that great (depending on your skill/knowledge level).
    https://moderncombatandsurvival.com/
    Peace out

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    1. I appreciate the boots on the ground report. Minions here are really the only combat experiences ever related to me.

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    2. I read the recollections of one soldier from his first battle. He was armed with a pump shotgun. He said all he remembered was the fear and him yelling obscenities whilst standing surrounded by enemy as he fired away.

      The battle over he was still standing, exhausted. He hadn't reloaded once and when he looked at the shells on the ground, they were unfired. In the craziness he had just worked the pump and by some miracle, no bad guy had done him in.

      With any luck we are all terribly wrong and our stockpiling was all for naught

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    3. Far better to stockpile and have your heirs throw it in the landfill than ever need any of it, true dat homey.

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    4. Did a combat simulation about 5 years ago, used a friends AR. In the woods, I was prone behind a downed tree, silhouette targets were pop up and on tracks at various distances, 50yd, 75yd, etc. Large downrange speakers with rapid shooting and explosions, flashing light. About as real as it gets without anyone getting killed. No incoming rounds. Instructor standing behind me shouting drill sgt style. I was jacked. There were 10 of us online at one time, everybody firing. It was organized chaos, sort of. Lots of smoke and confusion. Loud, even with ear protection. It's more difficult than you think to change 30 rd mags while laying on the ground with all that going on. Upon reloading if that first round doesn't chamber properly you lock up for a couple seconds before you figure it out. That can get you killed.

      Simply having a gun is no answer at all...

      You have to practice til it becomes 2nd nature, for you know not what circumstances may occur.

      ...if you don't do regular practice an argument can be made for not having a gun at all, and just running and hiding when danger comes. Otherwise that gun will be used against you by an assailant that may not have one.

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    5. A cheaper way to get your AR, from an untrained enemy.

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