tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post6756900541349275406..comments2023-08-15T06:33:53.114-07:00Comments on Bison Prepper: nary a drop to drink 2 of 3James M Dakinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-70005898003695157772016-06-12T06:38:06.233-07:002016-06-12T06:38:06.233-07:00I'm assuming 3-tab are the asphalt shingles? ...I'm assuming 3-tab are the asphalt shingles? Anything is actually cheaper than those, accounting for their low life expectancy and needed replacement. Isn't there other options, like a metal shingle? I've never roofed, other than my plastic and dirt.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-60769159060859667992016-06-11T14:50:42.590-07:002016-06-11T14:50:42.590-07:00If you were moving to the glorious cold desert of ...If you were moving to the glorious cold desert of N.American Mongolia, a welded-seam stainless steel roof would be a multi-generational water collection surface as well keeping the sky off of your stuff. The European INOX company has a tethered machine the size of a collie that crawls up the raised seam of the roof panels and continuously welds them. On a simple roof shape, probably not excessive cost, as long as you buy the ss material during a commodity depression. If your seams were far enough apart and the pitch correct, you could mount solar panels up there, too. The cost may be similar to a tile roof (several times the cost of 3-tab and proper prep/finish). <br /><br />Read Dune for radical water conservation ideas. <br /><br />pdxr13Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-939213397967206512016-06-11T09:46:57.505-07:002016-06-11T09:46:57.505-07:00Hey Ghostsniper. Nightshift here I'm on my pho...Hey Ghostsniper. Nightshift here I'm on my phone and don't have my google log in. Anyway if your roof is galvanized you don't want to drink the water. Painted roof only. Galvanized puts bad chemicals in the water. I don't remember where I read that but I was researching rain catchment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-61359575010107219132016-06-10T13:55:10.539-07:002016-06-10T13:55:10.539-07:00And shingles is what most roofs have, for when you...And shingles is what most roofs have, for when you relocate or take over abandoned buildings.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-11652032320576835772016-06-10T13:53:29.615-07:002016-06-10T13:53:29.615-07:00Hmm, I've never heard of a system to protect t...Hmm, I've never heard of a system to protect the roof-not a bad idea. Stay off ladders if possible to avoid injury. Is it practical to extend the roof closer to the ground? More collection space, no need for a ladder. Sink the tank. Just spitballing.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-33623692502935545832016-06-10T07:03:26.202-07:002016-06-10T07:03:26.202-07:00Just did the math, about 9 gallons per day avg. No...Just did the math, about 9 gallons per day avg. Not good enough. I need something else. Something like a....pond!<br /><br />I built my 24'x36' building (workshop-office) 10 years ago. It has trusses, 6/12 pitch, 12" overhang, and a 5-V silver metal roof, white alum. fascia and ventilated soffit. A month ago I installed vinyl gutters and downspouts as my first step toward water reclamation. <br /><br />The building is surrounded by very tall oak and hickory trees and right now one or both are dropping clumps of vegetation on the roof that discolors it demonstrably. Right now 1/3 of the roof is seriously discolored to a light to dark brown. This will wear off as the year goes on but the vegetation, which is immense, gathers in the gutters and clogs the downpouts. I'm researching screening to put on the gutters. But the screening will get clogged with the vegetation and I will need to use a ladder to clean it off. I'm wondering if this vegetation would be easier to collect farther down the line some how, before it gets to the collection tank. I want to get and keep the rainwater as clean as possible BEFORE it gets to the tank and hopefully lengthen the duration of the filtration system.<br /><br />Good points about protecting the tank from UV. I'm wanting to get a 600 gal model and now that you've made me aware, I may build a small shed (8'x8') to house the tank, pump(s), etc. ghostsniperhttp://www.deadcenter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-25601350193197599262016-06-10T05:59:15.486-07:002016-06-10T05:59:15.486-07:00Asphalt shingles aren't ideal, but not as bad ...Asphalt shingles aren't ideal, but not as bad as most people describe. The rainwater runs off them- they don't sit and soak in the stuff. The main thing picked up from the asphalt shingles is carbon, which means you should not try to purify with bleach, which does create toxic stuff. My main catchment is off of a metal roof, but a small shed with asphalt shingles for some extra catchment is not a big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-8323645704607625702016-06-09T19:50:49.064-07:002016-06-09T19:50:49.064-07:00Great post. Be sure your rainwater collection is ...Great post. Be sure your rainwater collection is off a metal roof. Asphalt shingles leach all kinds of nasty into the water. Ideally your water will be filtered during the transition from the gutter to the tank. If you allow the water unfiltered into the tank and filter afterwards, the bottom of the tank will fill with sediment, leaves, etc. The sediment will be hard on the valves when opening/closing. You'll still need to refilter or boil before drinking though. The food-grade plastic farm tanks (black or green) only have about a 10-year life span when exposed to UV rays. The solution is to shelter the tank in a building, under a roof, or stucco the tank. The stucco will protect the tank against welding sparks/fire, minor accidental impacts, and stray shots from a BB/pellet gun. How much water can you collect? Here's the formula. Take the square footage of the roof (viewed straight down from the sky), divide by 1000, multiply by 550 to determine the amount of gallons collected per inch of rain, then multiply by your average annual rainfall. For example, your collection surface is 320 square feet, and your average annual rainfall is 10 inches. 320/1000=.32 .32x550=176 176x10=1760 gallons of water per year.<br />Peace outAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-23362574185384035362016-06-09T13:35:02.094-07:002016-06-09T13:35:02.094-07:0021 to smoke? Un-friggin-believable. Next up, NYC...21 to smoke? Un-friggin-believable. Next up, NYC size sodas.James M Dakinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382139289994087931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2686829448547770092.post-80542222272623998242016-06-09T11:56:25.090-07:002016-06-09T11:56:25.090-07:00Elko minion here James, and totally agree about di...Elko minion here James, and totally agree about digging a well. Upon hearing that I sold my CA property, both my mother and my brother insisted that the wisest thing to do is to immediately dig a well on my Elko property. Not going to happen, and will never even consider it. First off, the cost of a well will be about 5 times the cost of what I paid for the property. Second off, such a venture will eat up all of the proceeds from the previous property, leaving me nothing for preps. I was actually quite appalled at the silliness of such a suggestion. The cheap water tank hauled by a truck, or a cistern sounds just fine to me at a 1/10 the cost of a well. <br /><br />In other non-related news, here in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, the smoking age has just been raised to 21. I'm kind of laughing my ass off over this because of all of those under 21 smokers, many of whom support the nanny state political system, because that's what it ultimately gets you! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com